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Another Christmas, Another War on It

Posted in Religion by Michael LaBossiere on December 18, 2013
Christmas gifts.

Still not a crime. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Like many Americans, I grew up with many Christmas traditions: the tree, the Advent calender, decorations, and candy canes. While I am not particularly religious, these traditions still hold great meaning to me and I still think back fondly to Christmases past. However, there is a Christmas tradition I am not fond of. This is, not surprisingly, the yearly claim that there is a War on Christmas.

Listening to certain pundits, who are mainly denizens of Fox news, one would get the impression that those that celebrate Christmas have been forced to hide in ancient catacombs under the shopping malls to avoid being thrown into the arena where they would be cuddled by liberal, vegetarian lions of ambiguous gender.

On the face of it, to claim that there is a war on Christmas in America would seem to be prima facie evidence that a person is either joking, epistemically damaged or insane. After all, Christmas trees are displayed openly. People boldly wish others a merry Christmas and are not arrested. Christmas stockings are still hung from the chimney with care, rather than being hidden away in some secret corner. You can test this yourself: boldly go to a store that sells cards and ask for Christmas cards. Approach a police officer and ask her if you can report people for celebrating Christmas. Go to the mall and loudly proclaim that you are there to buy Christmas presents. Decorate your yard and your house for Christmas. Eat a candy cane in public. Then report in the comment section what happened.

The fact that Christianity does not get to be the official religion is not proof that there is a war on Christmas. The fact that non-Christians are not compelled to engage in Christmas activities is not proof there is a war on Christmas. The fact that religious tolerance and diversity is respected is not evidence there is a war on Christmas. The fact that some people do some ridiculous things regarding Christmas does not show that there is a war on Christmas.

As happens every year, the folks who (pretend to) believe in a war on Christmas point to problems involving Nativity scenes on state property. As I have written before, I rather like Nativity scenes: When I see one, however tacky it might be (one had flamingos lined up to adore the baby Jesus) I will pause and look at it, remembering days gone by. As such, I have nothing against Nativity scenes. However, I do agree that religious displays should not occur on state property.

Not having religious displays on state property (that is, the property of all the citizens) is not a war on Christmas. After all, not having the state actively endorse a specific faith is not an attack on that faith. If the state burned Nativity scenes as part of a public display, then that would be a war. Having a general ban on religious displays is not a war on religion but rather a refusal to exalt one faith above any others. That is an important part of allowing freedom of (and from) religion.

It is also important to note that manger scenes are not banned from anywhere else. If you want to turn your entire lawn into just such a scene, then you are free to do so. If your church wants to put up a massive manger extravaganza, they are free to do just that. And some do. If it is nearby, I will go see it. Even if it includes flamingos. Actually, especially if it includes flamingos.

Defenders in the imaginary war on Christmas also point to the use of “happy holidays” as a sign that Christmas is under attack. The obvious reply is that this is actually a holiday season. While Hanukkah is over, there are still holidays left such as Three King’s Day and New Year’s. The other obvious reply is that wishing people happy holidays when one does not know their faith (or lack thereof) is a sign of respect and inclusiveness.

I have no objection to someone wishing me a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah-I usually assume that the person is expressing good will towards me. I’m especially fine with it when the person is giving me a gift at the same time. But, honesty compels me to say that Christmas gifts generally put Hanukkah gifts to shame-not that I did not appreciate the dreidel and chocolate coins, Dave.

That said, I can see how people who are not Christians might find being relentlessly wished a Merry Christmas a bit off putting, especially if it is not done with the spirit of the season but issued as a challenge of faith. Fortunately, that does not happen all that often.

It has also been pointed out repeatedly that schools now have winter breaks rather than Christmas break. I do admit that even now it still sounds odd to be on winter break. I still use the term Christmas break because old habits die hard and, for me, I am on Christmas break. However, not everyone who attends state universities is a Christian and state universities are not supposed to endorse any specific faith (private religious schools are another matter). This is, however, not an attack on Christmas anymore than not calling it Kwanzaa break is an assault on Kwanzaa.

The self-styled protectors of Christmas also lament that Christ has been taken out of Christmas. However, it is not clear just how much Christ has been a part of Christmas. Much of the Christmas mythology and trappings are pagan in origin. Also, when you throw in the gross commercialization of the holiday, that would seem to have done a great deal to take the Christ out of Christmas.

While I would really like an Xbox One for Christmas,  I’d also like the pundits to stop making up this war on Christmas. While it no doubt appeals to the base and creates that warm feeling of righteous indignation in some, it is completely contrary to the spirit of Christmas, namely peace on earth and goodwill to all. Ironically, it is the pundits that are waging a campaign against Christmas. So, ironically, I suppose they are right after all.

As a final point, if there is a war on Christmas, this is a war Christmas wins every year. Merry Christmas.

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  1. magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Atheists live in a country made by Christians. When I was in Afghanistan, does anyone think I tool offense when an Afghan used a Muslim customary saying to me? Did I take offense at everyone when they practiced Ramadan?

    Oddly enough, Mike never writes articles whose prime thrust is to tell people who can’t stand “merry Christmas”, to toughen up.

    It’s a Christian nation. And by Christian nation, no, I don’t mean a theocracy. I don’t want to live in a theocracy, not even a Christian one, though if I were forced to live in a theocracy, I’d choose a Christian one. If atheists don’t like it, they should start their own. Oh wait, they did. Death toll was around 200 million but other than that I hear it was ok.

    I have zero desire to impose my religion or beliefs on others by force. Why can’t atheists do the same?

    Political correctness is harming you. Remember when you were “experimenting” using “she” instead of “he” or “him”. Why?

    • T. J. Babson said, on December 18, 2013 at 8:33 am

      Were the Founders so very religious, Magus?

      • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 8:44 am

        Their ideas on freedom were based on religious reasoning. Jefferson was not particularly religious. But by today’s standards he was a veritable zealot. Do you understand how much freedom is a very Christian ideal?

        Quotes are becoming cliche, but how better to show how people used to think?

        Jefferson: “I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”

        Hancock: “Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. … Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”

        Franklin: “Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshiped.”; “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see”

        Adams: “Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System.”

        Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

        Patrick Henry: “The Bible … is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed.”

        There’s tons more of course. I think Washington mentions God 17 or so times in the first Thanksgiving speech.

        Can’t atheists, just as Penn Gillette, admit Christians have done a great deal of good? They need to stop thinking about the 500 people people killed in the Spanish Inquisition.

    • WTP said, on December 18, 2013 at 2:44 pm

      Oddly enough, Mike never writes articles whose prime thrust is to tell people who can’t stand “merry Christmas”, to toughen up.

      From Mike, I don’t find that odd. I find that rather business as usual. Now from a philosophical perspective, one lacking in bias and sophistry, I would find that quite odd. Of course it would then cease to be a philosophical perspective lacking bias and sophistry. Of course from my perspective, sophistry does not constitute a philosophy but rather a lack of one. YMMV.

  2. magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 8:29 am

    “While it no doubt appeals to the base and creates that warm feeling of righteous indignation in some, it is completely contrary to the spirit of Christmas, namely peace on earth and goodwill to all.”

    Just read this passage again. Oh yes, the Left always wants passive enemies. Political correctness was created by Antonia Gramsci to make people passive, to destroy cultural hegemony. Peaceful, freedom-loving people will lose everything if they become too passive.

    • WTP said, on December 18, 2013 at 1:49 pm

      “While it no doubt appeals to the base and creates that warm feeling of righteous indignation in some, it is completely contrary to the spirit of Christmas, namely peace on earth and goodwill to all.”

      While antagonism and knee-jerk reaction to anything remotely religious in a public space appeals to the secularist base and creates that warm feeling of righteous intellectual superiority based on hypersensitivity, it is completely contrary to the generally espoused libertarian ethic of “live and let live”.

      There, fixed it.

  3. T. J. Babson said, on December 18, 2013 at 8:47 am

    The Diplomad weighs in on this topic:

    The old irascible, politically incorrect, and acerbic sage of Baltimore, H.L. Mencken, once famously defined Puritanism as, “The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” Mencken today likely would want to revise his definition; Puritans and their ethos have long departed the American political and cultural scene. Today’s warriors against happiness, those haunted by the “fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy” are the leftist ideologues in charge of most of our social, political, educational, and cultural institutions. Yes, of course, they have an insatiable drive for power; yes, of course, they want control over all aspects of our lives. I, however, have come to the conclusion that what really fuels them, or put it another way, the hidden turbocharge in their engine, is their hatred of joy, of happiness, and most notably of the special joy and happiness that comes with an individual expressing and exercising independence.

    The manifestations of this war are everywhere in small details and in large panoramas. The war on Christmas, for example, is real. The MSNBC crowd might laugh, but the war is there for all to see. We see it, for example, in the mock outrage over Fox newscaster Megyn Kelly’s comment that Jesus was white and so is Santa. Who with any amount of brains would think that the historical Jesus was black? That is utter Farrakhan nonsense. What difference, at this point, to paraphrase Hillary, does his race make if you believe he was the Messiah? Presumably we are all creatures of God regardless of race or color. The historical Jesus was a semite, a Jew. As far as I know, Arabs and Jews are considered white. Let’s put it this way, he was more white than George Zimmerman whom the press had no trouble labeling as such despite his Afro-Peruvian grandmother. And Santa? Why should he be black? Should Uncle Remus be declared white? If you want you can go with the Three Wisemen, one of whom, Balthazar, in Spanish culture is black. Why ruin the holiday for the kids with this debate? Why try to ruin their joy and wonder? Why does even this issue need to be politicized? This, of course, all forms part of a broader war on the Judeo-Christian fundaments of our society. We don’t need to review all that but we all can hear that “dog whistle” loud and clear.

    The war on happiness and joy, of course, goes well beyond the assault on Christmas traditions. The left cannot stand the thought of individuals doing things that bring them joy and happiness. Automobiles. Yes, automobiles form a major target of this assault. Driving an automobile can bring joy, excitement, and independence into a person’s life. Driving an “impractical” automobile such as a Porsche, a Corvette, a Nissan GTR, a Cadillac CTS-V, a Ferrari, or a 700Hp modified Shelby GT-500 is fun and brings joy. The leftists would have us all in grey buses, trains, and, at best, in subsidized pokey Priuses and Volts, stifling our joy and happiness in the name of protecting Gaia against a fake warming threat. They will use taxes, and EPA and safety regulations, and absurd speed limits to ruin our joy. The same with gun ownership. Guns are fun; they bring joy to the owner, and assert an individual’s right to independence and self-defense. Gun ownership, of course, also limits the power of the state, and the ability of the leftists running the state to dictate the arc of our lives. We see the same in the assault on drinking, smoking, eating meat, homeschooling, and on individual choice in medical care. The state will decide which schools our children can attend, what they will learn; the state will decide our medical choices. They wage war on small businesses, which bring joy to the owners and, again assert independence, because after all, “you didn’t build that.”

    My favorite philosopher, William James, argued that “truth” is whatever makes you happy,

    “No concrete test of what is really true has ever been agreed upon. . . . If a man chooses to turn his back altogether on God and the future, no one can prevent him; no one can show beyond reasonable doubt that he is mistaken. If a man thinks otherwise and acts as he thinks, I do not see that any one can prove that he is mistaken. Each must act as he thinks best; and if he is wrong, so much the worse for him. . . . In all important transactions of life we have to take a leap in the dark.”

    Our lefty overlords cannot accept that. They will define happiness and truth and success. There will be no “leap in the dark.” At all times we must remember that our success and happiness come at the expense of someone else’s. You are well-off, only because somebody else is poorly-off. We must all live in fear of AIDS, SARS, Mad Cow Disease, Global Warming; all huddle together and let the state protect us.

    Well, I will stop here before getting myself too worked up. In sum, it is best not to show that you are happy and joyful. The nannies will not like it, and whatever you’re doing to make yourself happy will get taxed, regulated, or banned. So, my advice for the season: wear a dour game face. Don’t let “them” know you are happy.</em?

    http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-war-on-joy.html

  4. magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I still say the war of Christmas is real. Mike doesn’t see it because he agrees with many of its aims.

    Think to yourself, TJ, who is doing the most to damage what you consider the ideal state of our nation. Christians, or atheist leftists? You may believe that Christians engage in a chuckle-worthy myth, but I and no one I know, tries to use legislation to stop you from criticizing Christians. Can you say the same for the left?

    There’s a reason the country that highlighted individual freedom was made by Christians.

    • T. J. Babson said, on December 18, 2013 at 9:34 am

      Magus, I tend to be skeptical of anyone who wants to tell someone else how to think or what to believe. This applies equally to secular types like Al Gore. I think it is more appropriate to regard leftists and the like as having a different religion rather than being skeptics. Often the leftists are more dogmatic in their beliefs than religious people.

      I actually think the most dangerous belief for a person to have is that one knows what is best for someone else. This defines a parent-child relationship, and is totally inappropriate between adults, or between the state and the citizen.

      • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 10:10 am

        I’ve thought about why I am a libertarian, and part of it is that libertarianism, like conservatism and socialism, are not easily defined. My views on what works would be considered conservative: The classic American family structure (pre 1970s), works better than what is going on now. The stats on how children develop with two parents are unmistakable.

        I am a libertarian in that I think that people ought to be free to make bad choices and that I do not think the government ought to incentivize those choices. Think of the incentives women have to demonize men and divorce. Essentially, the government has created a cycle of pernicious incentives, attempting to crush natural law. So, while I believe people should be able to do and believe what they will, nature should not be subjugated in the interest of bad behavior. In my own life I am conservative, and I believe that if the state did not incentize ill behavior, more people would be conservative in their own life. Freedom requires rules for personal behavior and those rules are ideally self-imposed.

        • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 10:11 am

          “why I am a libertarian”

          why I am not* a libertarian

        • T. J. Babson said, on December 18, 2013 at 10:51 am

          Where I differ from conservatives:

          1) Foreign policy. I think we fight far too many wars. The idea that fighting Al Qaeda requires a WWII level response is nuts. It is not our job to tell other countries how they should live.

          2) Social policies. I think all sorts of family arrangements can work. I prefer the traditional model in my own life, but I don’t think it is my place to tell other people how to form their families.

          • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 11:09 am

            1) Me, too. But you must realize that the reason we have that level of engagement is because we refuse to really fight. Those who do not feel the impacts of their bad decisions are the one’s that decide Soldiers and Marines should lay prostrate while they get shot at. Though can we admit that a little more help from Europe would go a long way? Europe is like feminists: They are protected by the system they complain about. And just as with feminism, I’m for removing our system of protection for say, two decades, until it’s realized that testosterone and power are good if properly focused.

            2) If by “tell” you mean use the power of the state to force people, I’m with you. If by “tell” you mean reason with and advocate I’m not. Otherwise it’s similar to the arguments for multiculturalism, that nothing is really better than anything else. Which in my personal experience of 42 years, having lived with my grandparents, and baby-boomers, and having been a cop who routinely dealt with the children of single parents, I can tell you is simply not the case. I think nature would be enough to enforce a conservative outlook. Women would not want to divorce if they did not get lots of money and the children almost all the time. They would better appreciate men if the state did not protect them more than men. The Left routinely uses the State to force its views on people. Fair play no longer works if you have anti-authoritarian views.

            • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 11:28 am

              Sorry, stream of conscience moment. As far as telling other countries how they should live, this is not a classically conservative attitude, more the neo-conservative thing, with a ton of liberal mantra thrown in. The problem is in foreign policy we have always done the same thing we do with domestic policy: Incentivized bad behavior. We give billions in aid to Pakistan. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of The Gulag Archipelago, complained that the US gave lots of money and air to the USSR under the pretenses of detente’. This only empowered the Communists and harmed people.

            • T. J. Babson said, on December 18, 2013 at 11:36 am

              I am really only concerned with the coercive power of the state.

              I don’t believe that all lifestyles or cultures equally good, but I also don’t believe there is anyone more qualified than me to decide what is in my best interest.

            • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 11:47 am

              What is in our best interest has been massively contorted by the state. Even so, people would still do what is not in their best interest, but it would have far less impact on others.

            • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 11:48 am

              I’ve heard feminists argue that we should not be offended at the Taliban burning out the eyes of women, because, “who are we to judge.”

              Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.

            • Michael LaBossiere said, on December 18, 2013 at 5:19 pm

              Who has argued that?

              Moral relativism is an untenable position in that it cannot be held against the slide to subjectivism. Moral subjectivism, logically, collapses into moral nihilism. So, the three viable options are moral objectivism (NOT Rand’s objectivism), moral skepticism and moral nihilism.

      • magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 am

        “Magus, I tend to be skeptical of anyone who wants to tell someone else how to think or what to believe.”

        You have more in common with Martin Luther than Marx.

        • WTP said, on December 18, 2013 at 2:13 pm

          It might be relevant that Martin Luther had the better business model.

  5. magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “no one I know”

    * No Christians I know.

  6. magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I’ll cry it from the mountain tops, and give anyone the right to disagree. I’m with Joshua and Patrick Henry: I know not what others will do, but as for me and my house…..

    “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”
    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  7. ajmacdonaldjr said, on December 18, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    December 2013 – All-Star Team of Jews Defiles Christmas in Billy Bob Thornton’s ‘Bad Santa’

    “How the Coen brothers and Terry Zwigoff helped create a holiday classic that angers gentiles”

    Read more: All-Star Team of Jews Defiles Christmas in Billy Bob Thornton’s ‘Bad Santa’ – http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/156296/bad-santa

    December 1958 – The Protection of Christmas

    “A Child is born to us, a Son is given to us,” is the jubilant shout of Catholics at Christmas. To the Jews, it is a taunt, notifying them that however much they might bedevil the Church with their anti-Christian onslaughts, her ultimate triumph over them is assured. The gates of Hell shall not prevail against her.”

    Read more: The Protection of Christmas – http://www.fatherfeeney.org/point/58-dec.html

    • WTP said, on December 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm

      Ohferchristsakes, enough with the Jooooooos. It’s Christmas time. The vast majority of those attacking Christmas are non-Jews, and even the few Jews guilty of such are atheists. Let me see if I can put it in a context you understand…So Jews own all the retail businesses and run Wall Street,etc. and Christmas is a huge business driver. Why would the Jews, at least in the context of this narrative, want to wage a war on Christmas?

      Funny, in the peculiar sense yet still I am being sarcastic, Mike is all over racial bigotry when comments as such show up here (as am I IIDSSM), yet never bats an eye at the antisemitism you constantly post.

      • apollonian said, on December 31, 2013 at 8:32 pm

        WTP: “Anti-Semitic”?–ho ho ho ho–didn’t u know ALL GENTILES are anti-semites? Didja know Jews follow the Talmud, by definition? (see RevisionistReview.blogspot.com for best Talmudic expo, also ck Come-and-hear.com)–and those who pretend to not observe Talmudic religion always go along w. the Talmudists–just keep ur eyes open to verify. Talmud preaches war against the gentiles. “The best of gentiles, kill him.” This is serious business, and u need to getting a clue.

        Ever hrd of Israel, the terror-state, which did 9/11 (see Bollyn.com), which attacked the USS Liberty (see http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html), killing 34, which stole the Palestinians’ land, killed the people, and continue to doing so, now pushing for war against Iran?

        Jews run the US Federal Reserve Bank (the “Fed”) COUNTERFEIT scam–merely legalized by all their bought-and-paid-for political flunkies and judges (see RealityZone.com and Mises.org for expo on the Fed). The Fed is the core criminal element which now controls USA, the Fed printing-up and digitalizing all the funds it needs to own and control EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY, with only few exceptions.

        Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Trilateralists, and Bilderbergers are Jew-dominated organizations which control things for the Fed powers–ck how many CFR and Trilateralists are in Obama’s cabinet.

        Why do Jews absolutely HATE w. a passion Christianity, Christians, and hence Christmas? Note then Christ is allegory for TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH above all/any other precepts as means to Godly happiness (Gosp. JOHN 14:6). Thus Christ (implicitly) upholds the OBJECTIVE, Aristotelian reality, necessary basis/criterion for truth.

        Further Christ exposes the Pharisees (Jews) as foremost liars and criminals, as JOHN 8:44. For Jews are foremost subjectivists, the most organized and connected, holding only that which is “good for Jews” to be truth.

        So u see, WTP, Jews have every reason to hate Christianity which warns the world and its people about the Jews. The Jews are correct when they say Christianity is anti-Semitic–u should take them at their word. When u say the “few Jews” who are against Christianity are merely “atheist,” u’re just fibbing for the Jews–I wonder why? Ho ho ho ho

        • WTP said, on December 31, 2013 at 10:15 pm

          Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute…

          Didja know Jews follow the Talmud, by definition? (see RevisionistReview.blogspot.com for best Talmudic expo, also ck Come-and-hear.com)–and those who pretend to not observe Talmudic religion always go along w. the Talmudists

          Are you saying that there are people in this world who march to a specific dogma, who no matter the evidence presented to them, they will ALWAYS believe that dogma, and thus there’s no persuading them as they are incapable of thinking for themselves? I don’t believe that for a minute.

          • apollonian said, on December 31, 2013 at 10:31 pm

            Ho ho ho, WTP: u make ur own highly affected characterization, then u say u don’t believe it. But there’s no doubt there’s lots of Jews who consider themselves “God’s chosen,” etc., and they certainly act as if they are in the driver’s seat, and millions of Christians and Musselmen have suffered and died–in Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, China, Cambodia, etc.

            • WTP said, on January 1, 2014 at 12:55 pm

              Wait a minute…so you’re saying those dirty, filthy Heebs were behind the Cambodian massacres too? Why hasn’t anyone done something about these murderous bastards? Read something about them killing and eating gentile babies, too. And ALL Jews believe the same shit, eh? So it’s in their DNA or something? I mean even if those who pretend to not observe Talmudic religion always go along w. the Talmudists, the more they deny it, the more it must be true, eh? That’s a sound philosophical position and no fallacy whatsoever. What are we waiting for, there’s much work to be done.

            • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 1, 2014 at 3:28 pm

              NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans’ data with Israel

              “Israel is allowed to receive “raw Sigint” – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: “Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content.””

              Read more: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans’ data with Israel – http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

              Israel spies on the USA

              “In November, 2001, Fox News aired this four part series, which shows that Israeli intelligence has total control over the information networks in the USA. Also, they said 60 Israeli spies, with explosives training, were arrested in connection with the 9/11 attack…”

              VIDEO – Israel spies on the USA – http://youtu.be/JWpWc_suPWo

            • T. J. Babson said, on January 1, 2014 at 1:48 pm

              I’ll bet you didn’t know Pol Pot was Jewish, WTP. You can find it in the same book where it says “The best of gentiles, kill him” is in the Talmud.

            • apollonian said, on January 1, 2014 at 2:30 pm

              I absolutely agree, “there’s much work to be done.” Pol Pot was communist, willing tool of the Talmudists, u may be sure. We just need more folks taking Christianity and reason seriously, TRUTH the foremost virtue–over Pharisaic lies and “good.”

            • WTP said, on January 1, 2014 at 3:45 pm

              Well then let’s stop f’n around. Since they all think alike and have the same goal, to kill all the gentiles, I say we kill all the filthy, stinking, conniving jew bastards before they kill and/or enslave us all. Are you with me?

            • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 1, 2014 at 3:48 pm

              Reports: Kerry Would Put US Troops in Palestine

              “Kerry supposedly would have U.S. troops in the Jordan Valley to prevent anti-Israel elements coming out of Jordan reaching Israel through the new state, according to reports in the London-based daily A-Sharq al-Awsat and Debkafile, an Israeli intelligence and security news service…”

              Read more: Reports: Kerry Would Put US Troops in Palestine – http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/12/30/reports-kerry-would-put-us-troops-in-palestine/

              Pentagon Plans to Weaponize More Drones

              “The Laser Homing Attack or Anti-Tank Missile, or LAHAT (Hebrew for “incandescence”), is a 3-foot-long, 30-pound projectile made by the Israel Aerospace Industries. A complete launcher houses four of the missiles. Initially developed for 105mm and 120mm tank guns, the weapon can hit targets from more than six miles away and has been tested on the RQ-5 Hunter drone, according to the Pentagon report…”

              Read more: Pentagon Plans to Weaponize More Drones – http://defensetech.org/2013/12/30/pentagon-plans-to-weaponize-more-drones/#ixzz2pB5MZ26B

            • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm

              In Praise of ‘Censorship’ at Hillel: Why we shouldn’t invite anti-Zionists to dinner

              “Anti-Zionism” is not a theoretical position, and Zionism is not a morality play. Israel is a real country full of real people, most of whom have nowhere else to go. Anti-Zionism in 2013 is the belief that this country should not exist – that it should, in some way, be made not to exist. It means that more than 6 million Jews who have found a refuge and a home here will have that home taken away, that a century of Hebrew culture will end, and that the entire Jewish people will go back to living by the whims of Muslim and Christian majorities. That I am a liberal and take a dim view of many of the policies of my government does not in the least muddy that understanding…”

              Read more: In Praise of ‘Censorship’ at Hillel – http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/157100/in-praise-of-censorship-at-hillel

            • magus71 said, on January 5, 2014 at 7:30 am

              Interesting that Tolkien considered the jews “gifted.” So do I.

            • magus71 said, on January 5, 2014 at 8:33 am

              Tolkien held many of my other world views. My world view is about getting back to basics. The deep and unwarranted antisemitism in the world is something that I consider as evidence for the truth of the Bible.

              The Jews were given a sliver of sand and made it a workable and ultra-modern state. Meanwhile the Muslims made all their countries into places no one, not even them, wants to live. I don’t need conspiracies and hidden agendas–the evidence is plain for everyone to see.

              Even if His people have abandoned Him, God will not abandon His people. They may be chastised from time to time, but the nations that abused the Jews were soon annihilated–Egypt, Bolshevik Russia, The Third Reich. Ashes.

            • magus71 said, on January 5, 2014 at 9:02 am

              Is this part of the conspiracy, too? Where are the Muslims? Less than one percent, usually in mushy stuff like literature. I’m not hating on Muslims, but let’s get real here.

              “Overall, Jews have won a total of 41% of all the Nobel Prizes in economics, 28% of medicine, 26% of Physics, 19% of Chemistry, 13% of Literature and 9% of all peace awards.”

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

            • apollonian said, on January 5, 2014 at 12:29 pm

              Well magus: I consider anyone who favors Jews to just be sucking-up, and one must wonder why?

              So Jews are gifted?–are there any humans who aren’t? Ho ho hoho

              Anti-Semitism is “un-warranted”?–so u think the Talmud is something admirable or respectable? It would seem u ought to KNOW something about the Talmud before u express such general approval. Let there be no mistake, comrade: Talmud is literally war and hatred for humanity, PERIOD. Approval of Talmud is treason to humanity.

              “Jews were given…”?–if u’re talking about modern Israel, u simply ought to ck the basic history. Jews infiltrated the land owned by Palestinian Arabs and, making use of their overwhelming political/economic control of the West, esp. US and Britain, but also including USSR which was influenced & controlled through the bankers, literally stole the land where they made up less than 10% of the population, owning less than 10% of that land.

              Note, u say Jews made Israel “ultra-modern state”–perhaps, but observe HOW they did this–after stealing the land, literally, and mass-murdering the people, they then extorted incredible sums of money fm the Western nations, esp. Germany, but also the USA, by means of afore-mentioned political/economic control.

              U babble prop. about “Muslims,” but it would seem the Muslims themselves thought they were doing ok esp. as one considers the living standards in the oil-producers. Libya was actually doing quite well, by all accounts and measures, and precisely because of this the West attacked Libya, using depleted uranium weapons, justifying their attack w. purest lies.

              U speak of “evidence plain for everyone to see,” but u actually ignore the evidence.

              Then u really get sickening about “God not abandoning his people”–WHERE do u get this crap? And again, u ignore obvious fact Jews are NOT the same as Israelites, the Jews following the Talmud which was written-up after the birth of Christ, Christ having told the Jews they made the law of God of “none effect,” for which truth, Jews then murdered Christ.

              “[N]ations that abused the Jews”?–get a clue: the Jews hate all humanity, according to their Talmud, and as gentiles reacted against this anti-human hatred by Talmudists, EVERY nation on earth has expelled Jews, numerous times. All gentiles are anti-Semitic, according to Jews.

              “Bolshevik”?–those were Jews, comrade–ck the history books. “Nobel prizes”?–aren’t those controlled by Jews?–didn’t Obama get one of the latest prizes for “peace,” ho ho ho ho h ho ho ho.

            • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 5, 2014 at 1:47 pm

              Magus, how do feel about the US Army being Israel’s bitch?

              Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria… all part of the Jews (destabilization) plan…

              Perhaps they should drape our soldier’s coffins with the Israeli flag?

              1996 – A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

              “Rather than pursuing a “comprehensive peace” with the entire Arab world, Israel should work jointly with Jordan and Turkey to “contain, destabilize, and roll-back” those entities that are threats to all three…” ~ A Clean Break

              “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the “Clean Break” report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel. The report explained a new approach to solving Israel’s security problems in the Middle East… Rather than pursuing a “comprehensive peace” with the entire Arab world, Israel should work jointly with Jordan and Turkey to “contain, destabilize, and roll-back” those entities that are threats to all three.”

              Read more: A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

            • magus71 said, on January 5, 2014 at 3:26 pm

              John Kerry is a buffoon. Perfect for the State Department. That’s usually where the pinnacle of arrogant and incompetent people in our government end up. Couldn’t stand how arrogant they were in our briefings in Afghanistan.

            • magus71 said, on January 5, 2014 at 7:41 pm

              “Magus, how do feel about the US Army being Israel’s bitch?”

              We’re the whole world’s bitch. The only people in the world we don’t protect is Americans. This isn’t a Zionist conspiracy, this is the cultural meme created by our soft-headed leftists, some of which happen to be jewish and most of which happen to be brown/blue-eyed Aryans.

              We give billions not only to Israel, but to Pakistan and Egypt. We pour cash into Afghanistan. We give everything away, and it’s done by a White House that doesn’t like Israel very much.

              We don’t get a thing in return for the money we dole out, other than a few jihadist attacks here and there to wet the appetites of American liberals who just know how much we deserve to be blown up.

              I say let them carve each other up. I also say keep killing all the right people. Stop giving billions to countries that stab us in the back and laugh at our impotence. I’m for America first, not Israel or anyone else. But no one we elect will stand up and say that and do that.

            • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 5, 2014 at 8:18 pm

              You didn’t read “A Clean Break”.

            • apollonian said, on January 5, 2014 at 10:52 pm

              Magus: u GOTTA grasp the absolute, all-dominating, nearly un-limited POWER of that legalized COUNTERFEITING scam, the US Federal Reserve–it controls EVERYTHING and everyone, w. only few exceptions. See RealityZone.com and Mises.org, also LewRockwell.com for best expo on the Fed. Ron Paul also has lots of neat vids on You-tube on the Fed subject.

              imagine ur power if u had the exclusive ability to just print-up (or digitalize) however much money u needed or wanted–literally, legalized COUNTERFEITING, no qualification, no exaggeration–that’s what it is. If anyone else tries doing what the Fed does, it would be instant jail-time.

              Okay?–u get the picture? These COUNTERFEITERS control both “left” and “right”–that’s why u hear Boehner, the House Republican Speaker came out recently against the T-party which wanted meaningful cuts in spending.

              The “Zionists” and neo-cons make up leadership of the establishment, fake “right”–and their chief allies among gentiles are the “Judeo-Christians” (JCs) also called “Christian Zionists”–ck Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo on these Jew-worshipping, so-called “Christians”–they get all the funding they need/want long as they support Israel. The JCs make up about half of the “evangelicals,” probably 40 million or so, depending upon the issues, perhaps 12% of the pop.

              On the “left,” Jews rule also, their favorites being the homosexuals; also there are the professional “minorities.”

              And don’t doubt Israel gets MOST of the foreign spending, MORE than Egypt & Pakistan and any others put together.

              There are NO “Jihadists” or Muslim terrorists BUT for the ones funded, supplied, and run by CIA, MOSSAD, MI6, and other gov. agencies

              The overall purpose of these conspiracies run by the Fed powers (CFR, Tri-lateralists, and Bilderberg) is global government, ONE-WORLD–Zionists are integral part, they being guaranteed for certain considerations, for example, Jews getting top globalist bureaucratic positions, etc.

              Further, note these globalists are determined to de-populate the earth–see AGENDA-21. This is the big-picture, Magus, and the Jews and Jew-bankers are the core to it all.

              Why do u think the holohoax (see Codoh.com, IHR.org, and ZundelSite.org for expo) is the new religion working to replace Christianity? Why is fluoride poisoning put into the water supplies?–it’s for same reason the vaccines are poisoned, the food poisoned by such as aspartame and MSG.

              It’s the culture of DEATH, built upon the empire-of-lies, lies justified by phony, delusionary, fake, fictional, fallacious, hereticalist “good-evil” which is always so attractive to the weak-of-mind, youth, and sanctimonious. Thus the Jews are the cadre for this satanic world gov., the enforcers being the JC goons and homosexuals on both “left” and “right.” Such is the Jew hi-jacking within CYCLIC “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler. Central Banking, like the US Fed, is the primary weapon/instrument.

          • apollonian said, on January 1, 2014 at 4:02 pm

            WTP: Jews must think somewhat alike, at least in certain respects, eh?–otherwise why would they call themselves “Jews”? And when we observe in reality, like good scientists, we see Jews do indeed act in HIGHLY organized fashion, don’t they? And if indeed these people are found colluding in criminal activity, then some action needs be taken, eh?

            • WTP said, on January 1, 2014 at 4:23 pm

              OK, but let’s be methodical about this. After all, they have the numbers. So which Jew do we kill first? I say Don Rickles. My dad never liked him anyway. And might as well take out his pal Bob Newhart while we’re at it, just to be safe.

            • apollonian said, on January 1, 2014 at 4:40 pm

              Note that seriously dealing w. Jews & associated criminals will require first removal of their primary weapon, that COUNTERFEIT scam of US Federal Reserve Bank. Long as this criminal COUNTERFEITING activity continues the criminals will continue paying off, bribing, extorting, assassinating, etc. Note however such “central banking” can only destroy itself, as the currency collapses, the criminals too strong long as their fiat money continues to be accepted. Hence patriots can only spread info and try to be ready as the collapse actually takes place. Note US Dollar is already in beginning stages of this collapse–thus we see Israel and cohorts working feverishly to start war w. Iran, for example. Meantime Jews and collaborators will continue to distract and divert the people, as we see u attempting to do, eh WTP? Ho ho ho ho

            • TJB said, on January 1, 2014 at 5:16 pm

              I think you are on to something, WTP. What were they up to during those shared family vacations?

              Don Rickles is acerbic, insulting and — at age 87 — still wickedly funny. Bob Newhart is polite, charming and — at age 83 — also wickedly funny. Put the two together and you strike comic gold.

              And that’s exactly what AARP did last week when it brought the two men, best friends for nearly 50 years, together for the first time on stage at the organization’s 2013 Life@50+ National Event & Expo in Las Vegas.

              “If Hitler had lived, Bob would have chatted him up… that’s how polite Bob is,” Rickles quipped before a full house of AARP members.

              Dubbed “Don Rickles In Conversation With Bob Newhart,” the pair’s performance entertained thousands of people for close to an hour. There were plenty of the usual Rickles’ jibes, but there also was a lot of personal conversation around their friendship, their shared family vacations and the ways in which Las Vegas has changed. And, all the while, there was a lot of laughter.

              “I started at the Sahara in 1963,” Newhart said.

              “I started on a wagon train going west,” Rickles added.

              Newhart said he liked the “old days” of Las Vegas, before Howard Hughes swooped in. “After that everything became very corporate,” he said. “I liked the way Las Vegas used to be.”

              When asked about their friendship, Rickles said “I adore him. Our values are the same. When we’re on vacation we can tell stories and fall on the floor laughing. In this business there’s a lot of envy and jealousy, but he’s one of the sweetest people I’ve ever known.”

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/aarp-convention-2013_n_3383576.html

            • WTP said, on January 2, 2014 at 9:59 am

              Well yes, that damn Fed has got to go but if we get rid of those running it, then the problem becomes rather inert. You’re not getting cold feet on me, are you? You’re still down with killing all the filthy, extorting, murderous bastards, correct? Based on what you’ve posted above, a good Jew is still a dead Jew, yes?

            • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 2, 2014 at 11:02 am

              Carey Mulligan on the Coen Brothers: They Pushed Me to Be Nastier and Say More Swear Words

              “She may have a certain girl-next-door appeal that has made her a hot property over the last four years, but Carey Mulligan shreds that image in her first few scenes of Joel and Ethan Coen’s “Inside Llewyn Davis.” As Jean, a Greenwich Village folkie, she drops F-bombs and S-bombs and spews vitriol over Oscar Isaac’s ne’er-do-well Llewyn, whose child she may be carrying.

              “One scene, set in Washington Square Park, concludes with this delightfully blunt summation: “I should have had you wear double condoms. Well, we shouldn’t have done it in the first place. But if you ever do it again, which as a favor to women everywhere you should not, but if you do, you should be wearing condom on condom.

              “And then wrap it in electrical tape. You should just walk around always inside a great big condom. Because you are shit. You should not be in contact with any living being. Being shit…”

              Read more: Carey Mulligan on the Coen Brothers: They Pushed Me to Be Nastier and Say More Swear Words – http://movies.yahoo.com/news/carey-mulligan-coen-brothers-pushed-nastier-more-swear-231555899.html

              All-Star Team of Jews Defiles Christmas in Billy Bob Thornton’s ‘Bad Santa’

              “How the Coen brothers and Terry Zwigoff helped create a holiday classic that angers gentiles…”

              Read more: All-Star Team of Jews Defiles Christmas in Billy Bob Thornton’s ‘Bad Santa’ – http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/156296/bad-santa

              The Coen Brothers’ Emergence as Jewish Humorists

              “Despite their roots in a centuries-old tradition of Jewish humorists (and their surname), there is a surprising lack of explicit Jewishness in the Coens’ films. They do, however, still treat their characters with as much cynicism and anxious distance as more obviously Jewish comic filmmakers like Woody Allen do, which has led many critics — sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly — to call them condescending. It’s easy — too easy — to imagine these two Jewish brothers scoffing at the idiotic Gentiles that populate their films, smugly robbing stylistic techniques from the more profound storytellers they studied in film school, and dismiss them as crass, sadistic snobs…”

              Read more: The Coen Brothers’ Emergence as Jewish Humorists – http://brightlightsfilm.com/67/67coens.php#.UsV_Y2RDtTE

            • magus71 said, on January 2, 2014 at 10:27 am

              Even if the Jews really did control everything, I think we’d have to consider that we have much to learn from such a small minority that’s able to gain such power. I’d copy them, not disparage. I like what Mark Steyn said: “Say what you want about the Jews, but at least they don’t lay around on welfare.”

            • apollonian said, on January 2, 2014 at 1:40 pm

              Magus: u demonstrate horrific ignorance: Jews own/control all the large corp.s–esp. the ones getting the “corp. welfare,” no-bid contracts, subsidies, tax-breaks, etc. Is there a more powerful lobby than AIPAC? Good Lord, brother, get ur head out and get a clue. And Jews get the lower-level welfare too, never doubt.

              WTP: Jews MUST and will be dealt with, like all criminals will be dealt with, indubitably, as u say. Ho ho ho ho ho

            • magus71 said, on January 2, 2014 at 1:51 pm

              Seems if there are Jewish criminals, they go to jail like most when they’re caught. Bernard Madoff for instance. On the whole I’d bet there are definitely less Jewish criminals per capita than most other demographs. The worst that could probably be said of them is that they stick together. Likely because they have to. I’m really not sure the basis for the antisemitism that’s so rampant in some quarters. Do they anti-semites believe the Jews have some genetic predispositions?

              What’s the root of this? Do they feel they’re being counter-culture by hearkening to Nazism? I’m an admitted right wing, reactionary, not an anti-semite.

            • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 3, 2014 at 10:22 am

              Let’s be clear. I’m speaking in generalities, not in particulars.

              I’m not speaking of all Jews, nor do I have an irrational fear and hatred of any Jew.

              An irrational fear and hatred of all Jews = antisemitism; therefore I’m not an antisemite.

              Ordinary Jews are the first victims of those Jewish leaders who have perverted goodness, beauty, and truth.

              The Jewish rabbis are the ones who teach their race is superior to all other races, not the so-called antisemites.

              The term “antisemitism” is used by Jewish leadership in order to teach all of us to exercise crimestop. We never allow ourselves to find fault with Jews because doing so is politically incorrect; therefore Jews (in general) have a free pass and use this to do all the evils they wish, because they can never be criticized and investigated.

              Crimestop

              “Newspeak word, and one of the central pillars of Ingsoc. Crimestop refers to the ability to stop short of any thought that might be heretical or unorthodox before it is even thought, as if by instinct. It is the ability to misunderstand analogies, fail to perceive logical errors, and be repelled or bored by any train of thought or conversation that might be inimical to Ingsoc. Of course, this process is not unique to Ingsoc, and has been and still is applied by most religious and political extremists.

              “Crimestop is not stupidity, or at least not natural stupidity. It is the ability to deliberately retard one’s own intelligence, and, of course, to forget the process of doing it by doublethink.”

              Urban Dictionary – Crimestop – http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crimestop

              Judaism’s Strange Gods – Michael Hoffman II

              “In this scholarly and deeply considered work, the author documents his provocative thesis that Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament, but the newly formalized belief system of the Pharisees, which arose in Babylon with the commitment of the formerly oral “tradition of the elders” to writing, in the wake of the crucifixion of Israel’s Messiah and the destruction of the Temple. Basing his findings on authoritative Judaic sources, Hoffman demonstrates that Judaism is a man-made religion of tradition and superstition, which represents the institutionalized nullification of Biblical law and doctrine. Liberating the reader from the accumulated shackles of decades of misinformation, this book shows that Judaism’s God is not the God of Israel, but the strange gods of Talmud and Kabbalah, and the racial self-worship they inculcate.”

              BOOK – Judaism’s Strange Gods by Michael Hoffman (.pdf): http://downloads.umu.nu/Books/Hoffmanstrange.pdf

              AUDIO – Judaism Discovered – Michael Hoffman with Jeff Rense (Full Interview) – http://youtu.be/51aTCN3D8Ik

              BOOK – Judaism Discovered, by Michael Hoffman (.pdf) – http://downloads.umu.nu/Books/Michael%20A.%20Hoffman%20-%20Judaism%20Discovered%20(2008).pdf

              See: Come and Hear (Talmud) – http://www.come-and-hear.com/index-2.html

              ISRAEL: A PROMISED LAND FOR ORGANIZED CRIME? 

              “(SBU) Given the growing reach and lethal methods of Israeli OC, blocking the travel of known OC figures to the United States is a matter of great concern to Post. Through collaboration with Israeli and U.S. law enforcement authorities, Post has developed an
              extensive database and placed lookouts for OC figures and their foot soldiers.

              “Nevertheless, the above visa cases demonstrate the challenges that have arisen since the termination of the Visas Shark in September 2008. Unlike OC groups from the former Soviet Union, Italy, China, and Central America, application of INA 212(a)(3)(A)(ii) against Israeli OC is not specifically authorized per Foreign Affairs Manual 40.31 N5.3. As such, Israelis who are known to work for or belong to OC families are not automatically ineligible for travel to the United States.”

              Read more: ISRAEL: A PROMISED LAND FOR ORGANIZED CRIME? - http://www.scribd.com/doc/157887623/Israel-A-Promised-Land-for-Organized-Crime

              From the Gulag to Brooklyn to World Dominion

              “While the FBI and major media obsess about the Sicilian Mafia (the “Cosa Nostra”) a far more powerful and sinister force is in existence that has controlled most of the globe’s organized crime for at least two decades—the Jewish mafia from Russia (a “Kosher Nostra”). Yet there is not even a desk at the FBI for their crimes, which dwarf those of the Italian gangsters in scope, violence and depth.”

              Read more: From the Gulag to Brooklyn to World Dominion – http://www.scribd.com/doc/157885372/The-Judeo-Russian-Mafia-From-the-Gulag-to-Brooklyn-to-World-Dominion

              See: Judaism Revealed – http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUDaValP-9OIVKuy36YeyIBJQ02oQfm3p

            • apollonian said, on January 2, 2014 at 2:29 pm

              Magus: why not read my above post explaining Jews are followers of the Talmud, by definition, including those who pretend they’re “not religious.” Why not find out what the Talmud is all about?–warfare against the gentiles. U’re not anti-Semitic?–guess again–according to Jews all gentiles are latent anti-semites and cannot be trusted. Talmudism is war against gentiles, a religion of criminals by essence and nature; get a clue. And here’s another great source: ck Jewwatch.com

            • TJB said, on January 2, 2014 at 10:57 pm

              You take your name from Nietzsche, apollonian, but he was adamantly opposed to anti-semitism.

            • apollonian said, on January 2, 2014 at 11:06 pm

              Right: so what?–I’m Christian, follower of Christ who is TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH, the ONLY way to Godly happiness (Gosp. JOHN 14:6), against Jew lies (JOHN 8:44). Christianity is anti-Semitism, obedience to God, never doubt.

            • magus71 said, on January 3, 2014 at 7:34 am

              Semitism is a race. How can someone change their race?

            • WTP said, on January 3, 2014 at 8:27 am

              I’m still not clear on your commitment, apollonian. Do we need to kill all the Jews or just most of them. As a Christian perhaps it boils down to asking oneself what would Jesus do?

            • magus71 said, on January 3, 2014 at 8:33 am

              Christ and Paul (Jews) were clear in their criticisms of the Jews: They were ultra legalistic and cared too much about money and their own race. Jesus and Paul made it clear that being a human is not about following minute laws, but about caring about other people. No amount of laws can account for every situation, cover every right and wrong.

              Yes, the Talmud is ethnocentric and hateful toward Goya. But I do not see the Jewish hegemony for world destruction that some see. One of Jesus’ primary messages was that “good” is not about our ethnicity. His groundbreaking thoughts that we now take for granted, given to the Roman soldier:

              So Jesus went with them. He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: “Lord, don’t trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.” Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well.

              And of course the story of the Good Samaritan.

              Even Jesus referred to Gentiles as dogs.

              Matthew 15:22-28 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.” Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” “Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

              Per usual, Jesus was subtle, probing, testing, saying certain things for all to hear, but then crushing their predispositions with world-changing thoughts. Her faith and essence mattered, not her blood.

            • apollonian said, on January 3, 2014 at 10:14 am

              WTP says he’s “not clear,” but I thought Jews were “intelligent.”

              Christ: “Think not I came to bring peace; rather, I come to bring a sword” (Gosp. MATT 10:34).

              Magus: u need to understand “Jew” is not same as Judean, Judeans the people who inhabited the area of Judea. Jew is defined as follower of Pharisees, nowadays the Talmud, or those now genetically related, Pharisees only, at the time, leading the middle-class, perhaps 5% of the Judean population at the time of Christ.

              Christ himself was Gallilean of reputed Judean (NOT NOT NOT “Jew”) descent.

              But again, Christ most emphasized TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH (hence, implicitly, the Arisotelian objective reality, necessary criterion for such TRUTH–see Gosp. JOHN 14:6), this against Jew lies, liars, and incessant lying (subjectivism–see JOHN 8:44), in their Talmudic war against humanity, working to enslave humanity–at least that part of humanity they don’t totally exterminate as they did Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians, Germans, Chinese, Koreans, Cambodians, now Palestinians, et al.

              As foremost frauds, liars, and criminals, observe Jews own and control the world central banks, including the US Federal Reserve Bank (just literally legalized COUNTERFEITING), as I’ve noted, these COUNTERFEITERS then the “bosses” of all organized crime and criminal activity, presently working assiduously to exterminating all mankind according to UN AGENDA-21.

            • magus71 said, on January 4, 2014 at 10:08 am

              JRR Tolkien, a staunch Roman Catholic:

              “But if I am to understand that you are inquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the 18th century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject—which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.”

            • apollonian said, on January 4, 2014 at 2:00 pm

              So magus, what’s the pt.?

  8. magus71 said, on December 18, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    This guy is pretty good. He plays in a rock band, but is a pretty good philosopher and analyst.

  9. ajmacdonaldjr said, on December 18, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    “But it’s the idea of “theirs” vs. “ours” that is the problem here. Religious holidays have their place, and that’s in the homes of the adherents of that religion. It’s when a religious holiday aims for a universality, that, by definition it cannot have, that we have a problem. No matter how much we spin Christmas as a “winter festival” with pagan origins, the first six letters of its name are impossible to shake, a proverbial nail through the palm….”

    Read more: A Very Tattler Thanksgiving – http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/116920/a-very-tattler-thanksgiving

  10. ajmacdonaldjr said, on December 18, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    • Michael LaBossiere said, on December 18, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      My atheist’s guide to Christmas

      1. Drink egg nog.
      2. Be kind and generous.
      3. Don’t be a dick.

  11. Michigan said, on December 18, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    I’m a newbie here but I think it’s a bit of a misnomer to say that there’s a “war” on Christmas. It’s more like a censorship or political incorrectness of public acknowledgement or display, even to the point of a person wearing a crucifix in full view. A subliminal meme of behaving in a reserved and somewhat fearful manner to express Christianity in any form. I for one remain unabashed and shall not submit; so, Merry Christmas!!! Now, about that so called, “War on Women”…

  12. ajmacdonaldjr said, on December 18, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Santa Rides Through Silver Spring on Armored Vehicle

    “Watch for Santa riding through town on a BearCat

    “When Santa Claus rides through Silver Spring on Wednesday, Dec. 18, he’ll be on a BearCat.

    “The BearCat—an acronym for Ballistic Engineered Armored Response Counter Attack Truck—is an armored police tactical vehicle. It’s not commonly driven around Montgomery County, so when Santa rides the BearCat from Germantown to Bethesda, he’ll be sure to be spotted.

    “Santa will be escorted on Wednesday by county police officers, according to a police department news release, and Santa and the officers will transport gift bags and donations raised by the police department to a party for children whose families are residents of The Children’s Inn at NIH, according to the news release.

    “This is a very special night for the children and families at The Inn,” Laura King, director of volunteers and community outreach, said in a statement.

    “Santa’s visit allows kids to forget about the hospital and their illness—at least for the night,” she added.

    “Santa and the police begin the ride at the 5th District police station in Germantown (20000 Aircraft Dr.) at 10 a.m., and finish up at The Children’s Inn (7 West Dr., Bethesda) at around 5:30 p.m., the police department stated.”

    Source: Santa Rides Through Silver Spring on Armored Vehicle – http://silverspring.patch.com/groups/holidays/p/santa-rides-through-silver-spring-on-armored-vehicle

    VIDEO – Santa arrives in armored Montgomery County, Maryland police vehicle – http://youtu.be/bf8xOmpx3yw

    Report: Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police

    “The extreme militarization of American police forces has been brought to public attention by the tactics employed against Occupy protesters, which often appear more appropriate to counter-terrorism operations than to the control of non-violent protest.

    “According to investigative journalist Max Blumenthal, however, the proper term for this ruthless suppression of dissent should be “Israelification.”

    Read more: Report: Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police – http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/04/report-israeli-model-underlies-militarization-of-u-s-police/

  13. ajmacdonaldjr said, on December 19, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Obviously the term “war” on Christmas is hyperbole. There is no shooting war on Christmas and Christians, which is, apparently, what you require for there to be a “War on Christmas”.

    I would ask you to think about what America would look like before a shooting (or arrest) “war” actually began.

    Think: the boiling frog…

    I remember, when I was a child, when it was against the law for a business to be open on Sundays. The Blue Law, it was called. Sunday being the Lord’s Day.

    Fast forward 40-50 years and (virtually) the only well known business closed on Sundays is Chick-Fil-A, which was recently excoriated for supporting traditional marriage.

    This excoriation, and this radical change over the past 40-50 years, is due to a hatred of Christ, his teachings, and those who follow him and his teachings. This hatred also manifests itself in a hatred of Christmas, the day we remember the birth of Christ.

    Hatred of Christ and Christmas is theological, psychological, and sociological.

    No people group hates Christ and Christmas as much as do the Jews. Jesus is their Messiah, and the Jewish religious leaders rejected him, coerced the government to execute him, and forbade Jews to believe in him.

    Jews have defined themselves, theologically, as anti-Christ ever since.

    Hence the article I received in my email inbox the other day, which concerned Jews boasting about how one of their Hollywood movies has defiled Christmas:

    All-Star Team of Jews Defiles Christmas in Billy Bob Thornton’s ‘Bad Santa’ (December 2013)

    “How the Coen brothers and Terry Zwigoff helped create a holiday classic that angers gentiles…”

    Read more: All-Star Team of Jews Defiles Christmas in Billy Bob Thornton’s ‘Bad Santa’ – http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/156296/bad-santa

    Last year, this hatred of Christ manifested itself in another Tablet Magazine article, which discussed how Jews could defile Thanksgiving in the same way they had managed to defile Christmas: via crappy songs, crass consumerism, and crude movies:

    A Very Tattler Thanksgiving (November 2012)

    “But it’s the idea of “theirs” vs. “ours” that is the problem here. Religious holidays have their place, and that’s in the homes of the adherents of that religion. It’s when a religious holiday aims for a universality, that, by definition it cannot have, that we have a problem. No matter how much we spin Christmas as a “winter festival” with pagan origins, the first six letters of its name are impossible to shake, a proverbial nail through the palm….”

    Read more: A Very Tattler Thanksgiving – http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/116920/a-very-tattler-thanksgiving

    It’s no coincidence (Jewish) Hollywood releases new movies on December 25, is it?

    How Jewish is Hollywood? (December 2008)

    “Jews totally run Hollywood.”

    Read more: Los Angels Times – Joel Stein – How Jewish is Hollywood – http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

    What better way to defile Christmas than to release the latest torture porn on film that day and to make tons of money on it too?

    Truth be told, real war and torture are more profitable, and the Zionist run USA has been doing and profiting off of that that since 9/11… all for the benefit of the Jewish state, the military-industrial-intelligence corporations, and the Wall Street bankers.

    When I was a child, we honored and respected Jewish holidays at (public) school, as we did Christian holidays. I was unaware, then, of Jews who mocked and defiled Christian holidays, and who boasted about it, but now, as an adult, I realize some of them do.

    I’m unaware of any Christians who mock and defile Jewish holidays.

    The Jewish war against Christ and Christmas is theological, which is probably why you don’t believe this war exists, and it’s been going on for a very long time. It’s nothing new, and it’s not attributable to Fox News hyperbole… it does, in fact, exist.. although it hasn’t (yet) reached the point it did in Russia, when Christianity was made illegal, and over 100,000,000 Christians were imprisoned and executed by the Jewish Bolsheviks.

    See: Jewish Bolshevism – http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

    Maybe once I’m arrested and imprisoned for my political incorrectness, for believing in and trying to follow Jesus, and for telling the ugly truth about the enemies of Christ, you’ll write a blog post saying there may, in fact, be actual persecution of Christians in America.

    But maybe not, because you will probably fear, then, that you will lose your job, and be arrested, if you write such a post.

    Remember Heidegger? He didn’t lose his job, did he?

    Have a Merry Militarized and Judaized Christmas.

    Watch out for active shooters, lockdowns, and SWAT at the malls.

    +++++++

    THE ENEMIES OF CHRIST AT CHRISTMAS (December 1956)

    “If, therefore, we are anxious this Christmas, our concern is this: The leaders of our nation have proposed that Christian boys be ready to shed their blood in order to make the Jews secure within the borders of the Holy Land. But should this happen, should Christian lives be spent to keep God’s Land in the hands of His crucifiers, the price of such betrayal will not be confined to the deserts of the East. We will be paying, in kind, on bloody Main Street, U. S. A.”

    Read More: THE ENEMIES OF CHRIST AT CHRISTMAS – http://www.fatherfeeney.org/point/56-dec.html

    THE BUYERS AND SELLERS AT CHRISTMAS (December 1954)

    “The Jews would like to get rid of Christmas. But so far they have not succeeded. For reasons of Faith (the Catholics), or motives of sentiment (the Protestants), certain Americans have refused to shrug the day off. And so, the Jews have been obliged to fall hack on that well-tried principle of theirs, “When you can’t beat a movement, join it.”

    “Today, in America, the Jews have become Christmas boosters. But their acceptance of the day, like their acceptance of any non-Jewish thing, is for the purpose of making it over to their own image and likeness. Accordingly, the Jews are trying to establish a Judaized Christmas. They want a Christmas stripped of all commemoration of the Birth of our Saviour, and reduced to a purely secular festival.”

    Read more: THE BUYERS AND SELLERS AT CHRISTMAS – http://www.fatherfeeney.org/point/54-dec.html

    ++++++++

    Report: Israeli [Jewish] model underlies militarization of U.S. police

    “The extreme militarization of American police forces has been brought to public attention by the tactics employed against Occupy protesters, which often appear more appropriate to counter-terrorism operations than to the control of non-violent protest.

    “According to investigative journalist Max Blumenthal, however, the proper term for this ruthless suppression of dissent should be “Israelification.”

    Read more: Report: Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police – http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/04/report-israeli-model-underlies-militarization-of-u-s-police/

    Israeli [Jewish] drive behind development of American police state: Mark Dankof

    “It’s part of a bigger picture, that is indicative of what has been an Israeli-driven development of an American police state.

    “The fact of the matter is that numerous analyses is very incomplete in regard to not only what the FBI and the NSA and the CIA are doing; but what the Federal Department of Homeland Security is also doing.

    “The fact of the matter is that you have approximately 6,800 Israeli companies that are involved in arms dealing, intelligence gathering and electronic surveillance and so-called Homeland Security provision that in many cases, if not most cases, are getting contracts from these various American intelligence agencies the Department of Homeland Security to enhance American domestic spying capabilities at home.”

    Read more: Israel drive behind development of American police state: Mark Dankof – http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/08/24/320303/israel-behind-creation-of-us-police-state/

    Israel [Jews] behind US police state, war, and terror

    See: VIDEO – Vatican II Chess Knight Takes cRook Hugh Akins – http://youtu.be/Z7nizgcVjUk

    Elbit Systems Wins Key Contract From Us Department Of Homeland Security For Secure Mobile Communications System For First Responders

    “Elbit Systems of America (Elbit America), based in Fort Worth Texas, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Elbit Systems (Elbit), an Israeli based global supplier of defence and communications electronic equipment.

    “Elbit America has just been chosen by the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to provide a secure broadband mobile solution for first responders to emergencies.

    “Elbit’s solution will enable “any-to-any” secure, interoperable, multimedia services with seamless connectivity between a variety of networks.

    “DHS’s science & technology group has invited Elbit America to initially provide a technology demonstrator of its secure broadband services solution for first responders.”

    Read more: Elbit Systems Wins Key Contract From Us Department Of Homeland Security For Secure Mobile Communications System For First Responders – http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2013/12/17/elbit-systems-wins-key-contract-from-us-department-of-homeland-security-for-secure-mobile-communications-system-for-first-responders/

    Jewish Groups Grab Huge Share of Grants

    “Almost All Homeland Security Grants Go to Jewish Non-Profits…

    “A full 97% of the available funds in the Non-Profit Security Grant Program for 2012 have been allocated to Jewish organizations, compared with 73% that went to Jewish groups from 2007 through 2010. In 2011, Jewish groups received about 80% of NSGP funds.”

    Read more: Jewish Groups Grab Huge Share of Grants – http://forward.com/articles/158866/jewish-groups-grab-huge-share-of-grants/#ixzz2nrPt2hwM

    Bergen County Jewish institutions receive $500,000 in Homeland Security grants

    “The federal Department of Homeland Security has awarded more than $500,000 to the Jewish Federation of Northern New Jersey; synagogues in Franklin Lakes, Paramus, Teaneck and Tenafly; and a Jewish High School in Teaneck to strengthen their security, the Jewish Standard reported.”

    Read more: Bergen County Jewish institutions receive $500,000 in Homeland Security grants – http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2013/09/bergen_county_jewish_institutions_receive_500000_in_security_grants.html

    Homeland Security runs drills with Jewish leaders

    “About 50 Jewish federation officials from around the country gathered near Washington, D.C., last week for a “milestone” private security briefing with high-ranking federal and state law enforcement officials.”

    Read more: Homeland Security runs drills with Jewish leaders – http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/66430/homeland-security-runs-drills-with-jewish-leaders/

    U.S.-Israel Strategic Cooperation: Joint Police & Law Enforcement Training

    “With the United States on constant terror alert since the events of September 11, 2001, American police and law enforcement officials are taking advantage of Israel’s expertise in various facets of counter-terrorism and first response to better protect the American people…”

    Read more: U.S.-Israel Strategic Cooperation: Joint Police & Law Enforcement Training – https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/homeland.html

    NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans’ data with Israel

    “… Israel is allowed to receive “raw Sigint” – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: “Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content.”

    Read more: NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans’ data with Israel – http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

  14. Williamtpeabody@gmail.com said, on December 24, 2013 at 8:44 am

    If there’s no war on Christmas, why does Santa need fighter escort from NORAD?

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/12/norad_santa_tracker_2013_how_to_watch_santas_trip_around_the_world.html

  15. […] Another Christmas, Another War on It (aphilosopher.wordpress.com) […]

  16. magus71 said, on January 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    A Story about “evil jews.” My grandfather was antisemitic, I believe. He was from New York. It was not a part of his daily conversation or thinking, but I heard stories after he died. The stories were not told as criticism, but as celebrations, though the actual reasons that Jews should be disliked was never made clear to me.

    Later after my grandfather died, a man whom my grandmother know, probably in his late 20s, began to help me and my grandmother out. I remember him being very kind. He bought me a toy on my birthday, a day even my father didn’t bother to care much about during that time( I lived with my grandmother during this time). He would say kind things to my grandmother all the time. The one he always repeated was: “You’ll live to be 100, Eva.” She’d laugh. She made it to 91. I remember my father coming around one day, and he said: You know, he’s a jew, right?” I could tell he wasn’t happy about it. My grandmother said she knew, but her tone indicated she didn’t much care.

    Later, the man took me to his camp, as a way to help my grandmother and I out, since I had no men in my life. I think I was about 5 or 6 years old. I remember that we lay in our sleeping bags outdoors, looking at the stars. I don’t know why, but this was the first emerging of the religious mind that has been with me since that day. I asked him: “Brian, where is God?” He said, “Doug, God is everywhere.” Satisfied, I went to sleep.

    Kurt Vonnegut once said that the greatness of a man can be measured by how he treats people who have no connections. I tend to agree. I wish I could find that man. His name was Brian Sass. I’d like to thank him. Brian Sass treated those who had no connections and no money like they were his own.

    • apollonian said, on January 6, 2014 at 4:46 pm

      Magus: that may well all be fine and true, but the facts remain–is the Talmud a war-program against humanity which justifies murder and lies upon gentiles?–yes or no? And are Jews loyal to that Talmud?–why else would they call themselves Jew?

      And does not history bear out the murderous Talmudic program? Don’t forget what St. Paul said about the Jews. Don’t be fooled by sentimental reminiscences. Should Talmudism be tolerated?

      • magus71 said, on January 6, 2014 at 5:44 pm

        First, I would be disingenuous if I told you that I do not think that many of the evils things occurring today are not in fact part of a scheme by groups who wish to harm the old order. They have already harmed the old order. I would also be disingenuous if I did not admit that I know one of the roots of today’s problems, even though it has morphed into a softer version of its old self, though no less dangerous, lays in Marxism/Bolshevism. Marx was Jewish as were a large number of the leaders in the Bolshevik Revolution. ( For those who think I’m buying into a Nazi conspiracy about jews and Communism, this one appears to be true.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Bolshevik ) What I must point out here, is that these jews were far from religious. Indeed they hated religion.

        By promoting antisemitism, reactionaries and conservatives undermine the very real complaints they have about the way society is going.

        You make a valid point, the exact point made by Julius Evola in his book, Men Among the Ruins, in the chapter, Weapons of the Occult War. Evola, as you may know, proved an astounding point: You can be somewhere to the right of Heinrich Himmler, and still be against the genocide of the jews. In that chapter, Evola states that the question of whether the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, is real or not, is mostly moot, because the world does in fact seem to be moving in the exact direction that the Protocols call for.

        Evola writes:

        “It is therefore no surprise that the Protocols received so much attention from those movements of the past that
        intended to react against and stem the currents of national, social, and moral dissolution in their own day and age. However, these movements often upheld dangerously unilateral positions, due to the lack of adequate discernment; this was a weakness that, again, has played into the enemy’s hands.

        In relation to this, we must deal with the issue raised by this document concerning the
        leaders of the occult war. According to the Protocols, the leaders of the global plot are
        Jews who planned and undertook the destruction of the traditional and Christian
        European civilization in order to achieve the universal rule of Israel, or God’s “chosen
        people.” This is obviously an exaggeration. At this point we may even wonder whether
        a fanatical anti-Semitism, which always sees the Jew as a deus ex machina, is not
        unwittingly playing into the hands of the enemy. One of the means employed by the
        occult forces to protect themselves consists of directing their opponents’ attention
        toward those who are only partially responsible for certain upheavals, thus concealing
        the rest of the story, namely a wider sequence of causes.

        If the Protocols were a forgery perpetrated by provocateurs, nonetheless they reflect ideas
        very congenial to the Law and spirit of Israel. Second, it is true that many Jews have been
        and still are among the promoters of modern disorder in its more radical cultural
        expressions, whether political or social. This, however, should not prevent a deeper
        analysis, capable of exposing forces that may have employed modern Judaism merely as
        an instrument. After all, despite the fact that many Jews are among the apostles of the
        main ideologies regarded by the Protocols as instruments of global subversion (i.e.,
        liberalism, socialism, scientism, and rationalism), it is also evident that these ideas would
        have never arisen and triumphed without historical antecedents, such as the
        Reformation, Human-ism, the naturalism and individualism of the Renaissance, and the
        philosophy of Descartes. Such phenomena cannot be attributed to Judaism, but rather
        point to a wider web of influences.”

        • apollonian said, on January 6, 2014 at 6:29 pm

          Magus: Jews are liars–it’s their religion. Ck this u-tube vid showing Jews complaining about 6 million being persecuted, etc., BEFORE WW2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paNIlYasCvA.

          Ck Don Heddesheimer’s great book: “The First Holocaust: Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During and After World War I,” Second Edition Paperback–ck the ad and some brief reviews at http://www.amazon.com/The-First-Holocaust-Raising-Campaigns/dp/1591480035.

          Remember “religion” merely refers to that mode of habit by which both conscious & sub-conscious are integrated–reason, philosophy, and science are religions. Jew Bolshevik murderers were quite religious and dedicated to mass-murder of Christians, u may be sure–just like present-day Israelis are dedicated to mass-murder of Arabs, Muslims, and Iranians.

          To Jews, loyalty to Jews is paramount. Did u know Pres. Eisenhower was Jew?–ck http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-eisenhower.html.

          FDR was Jew: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-roosevelt.html

          Magus, there was NO “genocide” (the holohoax) of the Jews–these are just Jew lies pushed by the Jew-dominated mass-corp. “news”-media–see Codoh.com, also Ihr.org, esp. http://ihr.org/leaflets/holocaust_remembrance.shtml, also ZundelSite.org, esp. http://zundelsite.org/faurisson-articles-engl.html.

          The truth is Jews are murderers, beginning w. TRUTH; did u know at least 9 and up to 13 million Germans were deliberately murdered after WW2?–ck James Baque’s works, “Other Losses” (see http://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-James-Bacque/dp/1551681919/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389046087&sr=1-1&keywords=james+baque), also, “Crimes and Mercies,” (http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Mercies-Civilians-Occupation-1944-1950/dp/0889225672/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_4).

          Note once again: all gentiles are anti-Semitic, by definition, according to Jews.

          And magus: u didn’t answer the question–should Talmudism be tolerated?

        • magus71 said, on January 6, 2014 at 6:53 pm

          Can we admit that Islamic countries get far more aid than Israel does? As Scheuer points out below, destabilization in the Middle East is not in Israel’s favor.

          As I was taught in military intelligence school, the role of military intelligence is to *reduce surprise.* Destabilization by definition increases the chances of surprise. Which is why I have argued that we now live in very dangerous times.

          Even if jewish forces argued for war, the Goyem didn’t have to listen. Maybe our Goyem should be as much for America’s self-interest as much as jews are supposedly for Israel’s self-interest.

          • magus71 said, on January 6, 2014 at 7:00 pm

            And our government is clueless. That’s it’s fatal flaw. No common sense. Bhengazi, Afghanistan, and Kerry’s testimony concerning military action in Syria show this for all history to see. We’re run by Neros and Caligulas. Completely out of their league and only concerned with power.

          • apollonian said, on January 6, 2014 at 7:07 pm

            Magus: Israel gets far far far far more aid, money, and assistance fm US than all the other countries put together–see http://www.rense.com/general31/rege.htm.

            Further, u’re missing the pt. about Jew influence, control, and manipulation of discussion and commentary on the Jew-owned and -controlled media. Remember Jews pay gentiles, esp. among the Judeo-Christians, to go out and agitate for Israel and against the Muslims–so as to give (false) impression among people that aiding Israel comes fm legitimate voices among gentiles.

            • magus71 said, on January 6, 2014 at 7:43 pm

              Well, here’s 1.6 billion in aid to Pakistan, just in October. Yet how many fights does our government have over debt ceilings? If I were president I’d cut the amount to Pakistan to exactly zero. And I’d keep bombing the terrorists they protect. 1.6 billion will buy a lot of JDAMs.

      • T. J. Babson said, on January 6, 2014 at 7:13 pm

        apollonian. Can you back up any of your statements about the Talmud with real scholarship? What evidence is there that the Talmud is a “war-program against humanity”? Is there any evidence that any atrocity ever committed by a Jew was motivated by something written in the Talmud?

        Evidence, apollonian. Do you have any or are you just blowing smoke?

        • apollonian said, on January 6, 2014 at 7:18 pm

          All u gotta do is ck the ref.s I’ve already give, above.

    • ajmacdonaldjr said, on January 7, 2014 at 12:23 pm

      Janet Yellen Confirmed as Federal Reserve Chief

      “First woman to run the country’s central bank in its 100-year existence

      “Yellen’s ascent to the post will also guarantee that, by the end of her first term, Jews will have occupied the Fed’s top post for three decades straight – an unprecedented run of Jewish power and influence. The chairman’s seat hasn’t been occupied by a non-Jew since 1987, when Alan Greenspan was appointed by President Ronald Reagan to follow Paul Volcker…”

      Read more: Janet Yellen Confirmed as Federal Reserve Chief – http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/158558/janet-yellen-confirmed-as-federal-reserve-chief

      Janet Yellen Is Poised To Be the Third Jewish Fed Chair in a Row. Where Are the Anti-Semites?

      “Decades ago, her predecessor Eugene Meyer was targeted as a ‘moneylender’—but now Jews are celebrated for financial prowess…”

      “McFadden inveighed against Meyer’s Fed in a 25-minute speech delivered on the House floor in 1932, replete with conspiracy theorizing:

      “Some people think the Federal reserve banks are United States Government Institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. …

      “Those 12 private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this country by bankers who came here from Europe and who repaid us for our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia and thus drove a wedge between the allies in the World War.

      “They financed Trotsky’s mass meetings of discontent and rebellion in New York. They paid Trotsky’s passages from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian revolution and they placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky’s disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun the breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children.

      “The speech concluded with a more direct reference to the nature of those McFadden felt were consuming the world in financial conspiracy: “Faithless Government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial. Unless this is done by us, I predict that the American people, outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in their wrath and send a President here who will sweep the money changers out of the temple.”

      “It bears repeating: This was a speech delivered on the House floor. The congressional record notation of what occurred immediately after that last sentence was “[Applause.]” (McFadden also distinguished himself by placing the entire Protocols of the Elders of Zion into the congressional record.)”

      Read more: Janet Yellen Is Poised To Be the Third Jewish Fed Chair in a Row. Where Are the Anti-Semites? – http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/156146/yellen-at-the-fed

  17. magus71 said, on January 6, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Real Analysis–seeing all sides. What military analysts do.


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