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Democrats at Work Part IV

Posted in Politics by Michael LaBossiere on April 8, 2014
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By popular request, another post to bear the weight of comments about Democrats at work.

Suggested starting topic: Hilary 2016.

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  1. T. J. Babson said, on April 8, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Can’t you just hear her cackle? Does anybody have the stomach to listen to 8 years of cackling?

    • magus71 said, on April 8, 2014 at 9:33 am

      Bill does. Which proves he could face Putin without flinching.

  2. magus71 said, on April 8, 2014 at 9:53 am

    And the winner is?

  3. magus71 said, on April 8, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Remember I brought this up before? Every time I hear the media talk about something that I know about, I cringe at their errors. Now, what are they doing with things I know little about? The same stuff.


    • Michael LaBossiere said, on April 8, 2014 at 3:24 pm

      I agree. When I read or hear stories about matters I know about, the level of oversimplification and the volume of actual inaccurate claims is disturbing. And these are not the ideological issues, but straight-up matters of fact.

      Part of it is aiming at the perceived audience, part of it is a low budget for actual reporting, part of it is the speed cycle of news and a big chunk is that most journalists lack a background in the subjects.

      PBS and NPR usually do much better than the 24 hour news cycle folks-at least when they have a show that features a range of experts talking about what they know.

      I am not even sure if CNN is news anymore.

    • WTP said, on April 8, 2014 at 9:03 pm

      I believe we’ve discussed this here before. Michael Creighton dubbed it the Gell-Mann effect.

  4. T. J. Babson said, on April 8, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Mike, what do you make of the personal attacks Harry Reid is making against the Koch brothers on the Senate floor?

    • T. J. Babson said, on April 9, 2014 at 10:20 pm

      I had forgotten that Harry Reid is immune from libel when he speaks on the Senate floor. But still, going after private citizens as majority leader. I don’t ever remember that happening before.

  5. magus71 said, on April 9, 2014 at 8:17 am

    Gun-tracking bracelets anyone? Holder’s the worst in the administration, and that’s saying something.


    • Michael LaBossiere said, on April 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm

      Gun bracelets would not be a great idea-after all, if someone can take the gun, they can take the bracelet. But the idea of a weapon keyed to a person is not a bad idea-especially for law enforcement. But, I would not want to rely on the technology until it was proven-I would not want my gun to “crash” on me and refuse to fire when I needed it.

  6. magus71 said, on April 9, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Militant gays at it again. But it’s just my bias, I’m sure.

    In response to Eich’s move, GLAAD President and CEO Sarah Kate Ellis said that, “Mozilla’s strong statement in favor of equality today reflects where Corporate America is: inclusive, safe and welcoming to all.”

    GLAAD does an adequate job speaking for the mass of gays. So let’s not do the word game who-represents-the-group thing.


    • T. J. Babson said, on April 9, 2014 at 9:39 am

      What bothers me most about the Eich situation is that he was convicted of a thought crime in that he favored civil unions instead of traditional marriage for gays. I guess that makes him a monster.

      Mike, how many professors are denied tenure because of thought crimes?

  7. T. J. Babson said, on April 9, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Mike, do you agree that Obama knows the 77 cents business is a fallacy?

    The proposition that the statistical disparity in pay touted by Obama results from employment discrimination has been examined and disproved many times over. The great Thomas Sowell addressed it in chapter 3 of Economic Facts and Fallacies (summarized in the video we posted here). Obama’s line on women’s pay falls into the category of “fallacy.”

    Obama knows his line is a fallacy, yet he can’t resist. It is useful to him. It helps him take advantage of women who don’t know better for his own narrow partisan political purposes.


    • magus71 said, on April 9, 2014 at 10:11 am

      How many times are we going to have to crush the female pay disparity myth? Bottom line is that females don’t stay at the same full-time jobs for as long as men do, therefore don’t accumulate the same amount of pay increases. Those who have the same amount of time in the same jobs make the same money. How many lies can the left build its empire on? But the low information voters keep them afloat and winning.

      “It’s over, it’s done. If you listen to fools, the mob rules.”~Black Sabbath

      • T. J. Babson said, on April 9, 2014 at 10:14 am

        Shouldn’t Mike be able to see through this cynical ploy?

        It would be a good object lesson for his students about how to use critical thinking in real life.

        • WTP said, on April 9, 2014 at 10:46 am

          Shouldn’t Mike be able to see through this cynical ploy?
          Essentially my point over the last what, 3-4 years now? Someone with a PhD from THE Ohio State University should know better, especially if he’s to be teaching on the public dime. Especially at FAMU.

          Of course, our POTUS could also use some self-awareness. FWIU, the women on the White House staff make only 88% of what the men make. The disparity on GOP staffs is supposedly a good bit lower. Also found this Twitter battle amusing:


    • Michael LaBossiere said, on April 11, 2014 at 1:40 pm

      Factual error. If he did his math wrong, he’d be engaged in bad reasoning. If his claim is not true, he has made a factual error.

      But, women do get paid less than men in the White House-so he knows he is the patriarchy.

      • WTP said, on April 11, 2014 at 5:30 pm

        Why the “ifs”? The statistics have repeatedly proven the 77 cents figure wrong, just as the 67 cents figure was wrong in the past. If a GOP politico was lying like this, hell even when GOP politicos are telling the truth, Mike does not give the benefit of doubt. Never, ever, ever admit a damn thing. It’s the way of the beast.

      • T. J. Babson said, on April 15, 2014 at 6:08 pm


        What do you call an argument that deliberately uses statistics in a misleading way? Not a math error or a factual error, but a deliberate and cynical ploy to mislead people? What do you call it?

        • WTP said, on April 17, 2014 at 2:12 pm

          Keep holding your breath, buddy. They’re working out the sophistry now.

  8. magus71 said, on April 10, 2014 at 6:02 am

    Patriarchy Now.

    “The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe. The three women who were sent to the men’s island were delighted – food, shelter and plenty of male attention was freely available. They too continued to sunbathe.”


    • T. J. Babson said, on April 10, 2014 at 7:48 am

      I think older, married women become much more like men. They even vote Republican.

  9. WTP said, on April 12, 2014 at 10:31 am

    If I studied German in school I’m sure no one would find it odd for me to have Nazi propaganda posters in my family’s home. Not at all if I even happened to be the spokesman for a GOP president. It would be terribly wrong for anyone to presume I had fascist leanings, tendencies, or sympathies. Or to say that it was any reflection on my boss. It would not be creepy at all if those Nazi posters were in the background of a photo of my wife and children cooking breakfast. A photo published in a major political magazine read by the powerful in Washington. Nothing odd about that whatsoever.


    • magus71 said, on April 12, 2014 at 11:00 am

      The fascination of the left with communism is itself fascinating to me. The funny thing to me is that compared to the communists of old, the new breed are mere dilettantes. To me, that makes them even more despicable.

      “As of June 21, 2013, Yahoo news reported Carney has responded in some variation of “I don’t know” over 1,900 times since his first briefing.[8] It was further reported Carney had somehow dodged a question approximately 9,486 times.[9]

      On November 21, 2013, a majority of the news outlets covering the White House submitted a joint letter to Carney complaining about the lack of access provided to reporters.[10] The letter specifically addressed several instances where the Press Corps was told a certain event was private, yet the White House allowed White House Photographer Pete Souza exclusive access to the event.[10] On December 12, 2013, Carney was confronted by most of the White House Press Corps for the unprecedented lack of access to the President during a routine news conference.[11] During the discussion, the reporters became increasingly frustrated and often talked over Carney.[12] The White House Press Corps noted that while President Obama promised a more transparent administration, CNN’s Brianna Keilar notes “anyone here can tell you there’s less access than under the Bush administration.”.[11] Carney proceeded to cite the rise of internet journalism for making photojournalists obsolete, but promised the White House would do everything it could to rectify this problem [13]”


      • WTP said, on April 12, 2014 at 12:59 pm

        Does this phrase mean anything at all? “Carney proceeded to cite the rise of internet journalism for making photojournalists obsolete”

        • magus71 said, on April 12, 2014 at 1:33 pm

          Honestly, I had no idea how that segued to the issue at hand.

  10. WTP said, on April 12, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    The fraud that is our “news” media. From one of their (once) own. Where’s the outrage? Oh, yeah. Only on Fox and talk radio and WSJ. Those biased people. Certainly nothing for academia nor so-called philosophers to ponder.

    One month ago. long-time investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson left CBS amid rumors that she had grown frustrated with the network stifling her investigations. Thursday night on Bill O’ Reilly’s Fox News program she confirmed those rumors. “There is unprecedented, I believe, influence on the media, not just the news, but the images you see everywhere. By well-orchestrated and financed campaign of special interests, political interests and corporations. I think all of that comes into play.”

    After introducing his guest, O’Reilly asked Attkisson about her investigation into the Fast and Furious gun-running scandal.

    The former CBS reporter asserted that she began to make inroads into the story but had to drop it:

    Attkisson: I found out that we had to quit pursuing the story more or less due to lack of interest well before we found answers to a lot of questions. Including what about all the other cases besides the one you know as Fast and Furious that were also using similar strategies to transfer weapons down to Mexico. And how did this, if at all, play into a strategy the United States may be using to draw support or give support towards one of the cartels in Mexico against one of the others much like they had done in Columbia and other places.

    O’Reilly: Playing one off against the other. You said something interesting that you had to abandon the story for lack of interest. Can you clarify that?

    Attkisson: It just came to be that, I don’t think on the viewers’ part, but on the people that decide what stories go into the broadcast and what there is room for, they felt fairly early on that this story was over when I felt as though we had barely begun to scratch the surface. They didn’t ask me what was left to report. They decided on their own the story was done.

    But this shit’s been going on for 20-30 years now, so it’s not news.

    • magus71 said, on April 12, 2014 at 2:31 pm

      Yeah, I saw that. I haven’t quite bought into the whole red pill/dark enlightenment thing, what with ts over-emphasis on race, odd mix of darwinian evolution and romanticism, and in some cases, outright fascism. But their idea of “The Cathedral” is looking more and more valid.

      “The Cathedral — The self-organizing consensus of Progressives and Progressive ideology represented by the universities, the media, and the civil service. A term coined by blogger Mencius Moldbug. The Cathedral has no central administrator, but represents a consensus acting as a coherent group that condemns other ideologies as evil. Community writers have enumerated the platform of Progressivism as women’s suffrage, prohibition, abolition, federal income tax, democratic election of senators, labor laws, desegregation, popularization of drugs, destruction of traditional sexual norms, ethnic studies courses in colleges, decolonization, and gay marriage. A defining feature of Progressivism is that “you believe that morality has been essentially solved, and all that’s left is to work out the details.” Reactionaries see Republicans as Progressives, just lagging 10-20 years behind Democrats in their adoption of Progressive norms.”


  11. magus71 said, on April 12, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Has anyone considered the possibility that the media is hot on the trail of NSA stories because it envies the NSA’s capabilities?

    • Michael LaBossiere said, on April 14, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      Well, news agencies spend very little on actually gathering information. Maybe the NSA can partner with Fox, CNN and MSNBC.

  12. T. J. Babson said, on April 13, 2014 at 11:34 am

    Magus, WTP…comments? Do you really trust these guys? They lie. And why does the BLM need snipers?

    • WTP said, on April 13, 2014 at 9:47 pm

      Don’t know enough and kinda don’t care. FWIU the guy lost numerous times in court over the last 20 years. assuming he was right, which is probably not a bad assumption I will need to dig into it further when I have time, he has my possible support. But what little I’ve heard does not justify what I’ve seen. we need to respect the rule of law. The refrain of him and his supporters of “WE THE PEOPLE…yadda yadda yadda” Meeks me very suspicious. I don’t trust popularism. But came here tonight for my point below.

      • TJB said, on April 13, 2014 at 10:35 pm

        I expect our law enforcement personnel to tell the truth. In the video they ordered an attack dog to attack, and then claimed an unarmed man assaulted the dog. Clear video evidence to the contrary.

        • WTP said, on April 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm

          Agree with that part. Story played as I was typing post below. But still not eager to jump on this bandwagon. Something doesn’t smell right. But I haven’t invested the time to sort through the BS on either side.

          • magus71 said, on April 14, 2014 at 9:56 am

            That was my stance. I don’t know about the specifics yet. I can depend on the media to keep me as uninformed and confused as possible, just like with NSA stories. I’m going to read up on this. Bottom line right now is I don’t think BLM bothers to send that many assets without a strong case. Also, if BLM left without getting what they came for, I say that is an unprecedented move by the government and may in fact be a sign that the popularism that WTP mentions is widdling at the state’s legitimate power. Assuming they are within the law that is.

            • T. J. Babson said, on April 14, 2014 at 6:33 pm

              I’m just focused on the fact that the BLM clearly lied to the public about what happened. We need to be able to trust the word of our law enforcement personnel.

            • magus71 said, on April 15, 2014 at 12:56 am

              I agree TJ, we should be able to.

            • magus71 said, on April 15, 2014 at 1:00 am

              TJ, I think you need to be most concerned with individuals, like Eric Holder, than the agencies as a whole.

            • T. J. Babson said, on April 15, 2014 at 7:48 am

              OK. Let’s look for any sign that the people running the BLM are displeased with the agents lying about what happened.

  13. WTP said, on April 13, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    From Greg Gutfeld’s new book, Not Cool, page115:

    “It’s cool to have a low opinion of Americans–not its enemies. You (he’s speaking of academics and the media here) get paid to express such opinions because everyone around you thinks the same way. This is the cool creed: When bad things happen to America, think badly of Americans”

    • TJB said, on April 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm

      Sadly, this is true. The people we depend on to keep the flame of Western Culture basically don’t like Western culture.

    • WTP said, on April 15, 2014 at 12:52 am

      Re above, thought it would just post video. Here’s the context:

      State representative Alvin Holmes (D) Montgomery, said republican lawmakers would support abortion if their daughters became pregnant by black men. Holmes later said he would offer $100,000 cash to anyone who could show “a whole bunch of whites” have adopted black children in Alabama.

      Today at the state house, white parents who adopted mixed race or minority children said it’s time for Holmes to ‘pay up.’

      Beverly Owings is an adoptive mother of a 13-year-old bi-racial daughter. “I would like for him to ‘man up.’ He’s made the statement. He needs to put his money where is mouth is.”

      • T. J. Babson said, on April 16, 2014 at 8:03 pm

        I think we would be better off just choosing people randomly to serve in political offices.

        It could be just like jury duty.

  14. WTP said, on April 16, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Can you imagine being in the presence of an ego this massive?

    Mr. Bloomberg was introspective as he spoke, and seemed both restless and wistful. When he sat down for the interview, it was a few days before his 50th college reunion. His mortality has started dawning on him, at 72. And he admitted he was a bit taken aback by how many of his former classmates had been appearing in the “in memoriam” pages of his school newsletter.

    But if he senses that he may not have as much time left as he would like, he has little doubt about what would await him at a Judgment Day. Pointing to his work on gun safety, obesity and smoking cessation, he said with a grin: “I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close.


    • TJB said, on April 16, 2014 at 8:25 pm

      What about the camel passing through the eye of the needle and all that?

      • magus71 said, on April 16, 2014 at 11:42 pm

        “With God, all things are possible.”

        • WTP said, on April 17, 2014 at 1:55 pm

          Is that OT or NT? Cause MB’s Jewish, AFAIK. Of course AFAIK Jews aren’t big believers in an afterlife. Though I’ve been corrected on that knowledge both ways many times, so WDIK.

          • magus71 said, on April 18, 2014 at 1:21 am

            That’s NT. Jesus’ response to the apostles incredulity concerning rich peoples’ chances at getting into heaven (the same chance as a camel getting through a small gate). It’s the same part conveniently left out by liberals whenever they to shame the rich with the camel analogy.

            • TJB said, on April 18, 2014 at 7:37 am

              But weren’t they supposed to give away all their money first?

            • magus71 said, on April 18, 2014 at 10:03 am

              The apostles had no money to begin with. Jesus did tell a rich man in the camel story to give away his money and follow him. The man refused. But this was, as in many cases with Jesus, his method of making a point. The point of course is that money is not the most important thing in the world. Neither does it damn a man to hell, as Jesus made clear with his follow-up statement.

              What makes it so difficult for a man with money to enter heaven is the fact that they almost never have to think of God; many are not on the ropes. It’s easy to forget where we come from when we have it good.

  15. T. J. Babson said, on April 17, 2014 at 7:25 am

    WTP will like this one.

    • WTP said, on April 17, 2014 at 1:50 pm

      Yeah,I posted that several places, just not here I suppose. Perhaps subconsciously I knew Mike wouldn’t get it. Might just as we’ll be titled “Four Philosophers School an Engineer”.

  16. WTP said, on April 17, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    Thoughts boys? This, as I see it, is the nut of what passes for philosophy these days. A bit long but read the links, etc. Funny thing is, I doubt even Woody Allen gets it.

    Krugman’s been commenting on the work of Dan Kahan. Kahan’s a professor of law at Yale who writes a lot about “cultural cognition,” which is just the idea that individual people will tend to think, reason, and decide according to the patterns instilled in them by the cultural cohort within which they reside.

    In other words, partisans tend to parrot like-minded partisans.

    Although I’m sure it goes beyond actual political partisanship, to general social and philosophical outlook.

    So Lesser Krugman, Ezra Klein, had written about this (himself getting big parts of it wrong, naturally), and then Paul Krugman wrote about Klein writing about it, and Krugman’s main complaint with Ezra Klein was that he hadn’t been partisan enough in his analysis.

    Whereas Kahan describes cultural cognition as affecting, of course, both the left and right, Krugman insisted that No, it almost entirely affects the right, Becuz Theyre Dumb.

    Kahan himself considered Krugman’s “empirical proof” that the left was less subject to the effects of cultural cognition (group think), and… laughed out loud.


    • magus71 said, on April 18, 2014 at 1:13 am

      Krugman gives me hope in that even someone of such limited capabilities can win such massive fame and prestige.

  17. WTP said, on April 18, 2014 at 8:50 am

    TJ, Magus, you’ll be relieved to know that there is no NSA style spying on Russian citizens. Snowden asked Putin this directly on television and Putin said that such could not exist because it would be against the law. Thank God.

    Don’t know if this is behind the pay wall but I’m sure you can find it elsewhere.

    • T. J. Babson said, on April 18, 2014 at 9:32 am

      The U.S. should long ago have made a deal with Snowden and brought him back home.

      • WTP said, on April 18, 2014 at 11:18 am

        The only “deal” snowden deserves is the same one we’ve given other traitors on foreign soil. Granted it might be a bit diplomatically troublesome to send a drone into Russia, but it might make Putin think things over a bit more. You know, understand why Obama says he’s weak. But I amuse myself.

        • magus71 said, on April 18, 2014 at 11:52 am

          Putin’s an expert at putting hits out on those that irritate him.Just sprinkle some Polonium on Snowden’s sushi, just as Putin’s agents did with Litvenyenko. Putin should understand out position.

          I mean, isn’t it enough that Snowden exposed to the world some of our most technical capabilities? Doesn’t it lead those who see the Mannings/Assanges/Snowdens as hero people to question motives when Snowden keeps getting on television like the hip star he is, with the grin, basically boasting about what he did, schmoozing with Putin?

          Yet Mike asks if I have evidence that Snowden may have been recruited by Russian agents before he even worked for NSA. He worked for CIA and possessed a TS clearance before he was hired by NSA. He worked for NSA for three months. This is enough time to understand the system? BS.

          All because NSA collects metadata–just like Facebook. Then the theoretical scenarios come out of the woodwork about how this can be misused. But try this: Don’t pay taxes for a decade. The IRS will seize your bank account and property without trial and without warrant. I’ve seen people lose their whole bank account with no trial at all.

          That’s real, not theory.

        • magus71 said, on April 18, 2014 at 12:06 pm

          Doing more research on Snowden. guys, Snowden is an epic liar.

          –Says he broke both legs in a training accident while going through Special Forces indoctrination. Sure.

          –Possibly posted under the name TheTrueHOOHA on Ars Technica, endorsing the US security apparatus.

          Heard an interview with his in which he states that his ability to steal NSA data should lead people to fear the civilian contractor system. HE causes the problem and blames the contractor system, as if he had nothing to do with his own actions.

          This guy has no credibility. Picked last in kickball and good with computers is a dangerous combination.

          • T. J. Babson said, on April 19, 2014 at 8:35 am

            I agree that Snowden is no hero, but I do think if Obama had been a little smarter he could have reduced the amount of damage Snowden has caused (and is causing).

            Oftentimes just knowing what information a spy has provided to the enemy is enough to neutralize much of the damage.

            • WTP said, on April 19, 2014 at 11:29 am

              While that may be true, I think we should be able to discern what got out based on what snowden had access to. Not sure snowden knows the breadth of that data. A little .45 caliber cranial lead poisoning OTOH, would give future espionage candidates something to think about.

        • magus71 said, on April 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm

          It’s time to start pushing back on Snowden’s story, and the trolls typing in their mother’s basement.


    • magus71 said, on April 18, 2014 at 10:11 am

      Yeah I saw this. This is all masterful work by the Russians. Many Americans will believe everything Putin says. They already believe what Snowden says. Oh but Snowden just wanted to help Americans. Sure. Probably got paid a couple million by the Russian oligarchy, plus the information the Russians got on NSA technology and techniques are allowing them to circumvent detection in much of their recent activities in Ukraine.

      We need more people in government that are cynical about the rest of the world and less so about America. What happened to politicians who are American nationalists. I used to be a nationalist, but I don’t even know what we represent anymore. A mob led by vote harvesters selling the country out from under us.

  18. WTP said, on April 22, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    More ivory tower rants from Eastern Connecticut State creative writing prof.

    Eastern Connecticut State University Professor Brent Terry’s remarks during a creative writing class won bipartisan disapproval Tuesday from the state House of Representatives.

    According to little over a minute of audio shared with Campus Reform by a student, Terry said that if the Republican Party took over the Senate in 2014 then “colleges will start closing up if these people have their way.”

    Terry went on to say that “there are a lot of people out there that do not want black people to vote, do not want Latinos to vote. Do not want old people to vote, or young people to vote. Because generally, people like you are liberal.”


  19. WTP said, on April 23, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    One for Magus:

    A man charged with first-degree murder in America wants to have his neck tattoo – which says “murder” – removed or covered up before his trial.

    Jeffrey Chapman, of Barton County, Kansas, says that he is worried the ink might influence the jury in his upcoming trial for a 2011 killing.


    My 2 cents, people need to stop worrying about the future so much and live for the moment. YOLO and all that jazz.

    • magus71 said, on April 29, 2014 at 1:17 am

      The scary thing is, I bet no one around him told him that tattoo was a bad idea. Don’t be judgmental, man….

      • WTP said, on April 29, 2014 at 10:23 am

        Well exactly. How was he to know? After all, it’s not illegal to tattoo “MURDER” on your neck. But he lived “in the moment”. There’s something to be said for that. At this point, why change philosophies? Dance with the one that brung ya, I always say.

  20. T. J. Babson said, on April 28, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    Hillary was a cipher as Secretary of State, but she looks good compared to Kerry. (WTP–just remember that if Kerry had won, we would not have BHO now).

    • magus71 said, on April 29, 2014 at 1:06 am

      Some are demanding he resign over this. I agree.

    • magus71 said, on April 29, 2014 at 1:50 am

      But why are we surprised? The Democrats are almost always on the wrong side of history.

    • WTP said, on April 29, 2014 at 10:27 am

      True. And just like they told me 4 years later, if you vote for John McCain Gitmo will continue to inspire terrorism, we will continue to get involved in Middle East wars and politics, and all sorts of terrible things would continue. They were right about that too.

  21. T. J. Babson said, on May 8, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Mike, what say you? Is this what you voter for?

    The shoe hasn’t dropped yet, but in the next few months or years, big, successful corporations in the S&P500 are likely to do the unthinkable — stop offering employer sponsored health insurance to their employees.

    Why? The combination of penalties imposed by ObamaCare on so-called “Cadillac plans” as well as potential savings are impossible to ignore if you’re in the C-suite and responsible to investors. A new report by S&P Capital IQ shows exactly why companies can’t resist shifting the burden of providing health care to the feds. The report says:

    By shifting insurance to the employee, the Affordable Care Act presents an opportunity for U.S. companies to radically redefine the role they play in the health care system.
    The ACA could save S&P 500 companies nearly $700 billion through 2025, about 4 percent of those companies’ current market capitalization.
    If all U.S. companies with 50 or more employees made the switch, the total savings to businesses could be as high as $3.25 trillion through 2025.
    The shift benefits employers the most as the government and consumers take on a larger funding role.


    • Michael LaBossiere said, on May 8, 2014 at 4:29 pm

      I like many aspects of Obamacare, such as the attempt to separate insurance from employment. I would like to see a health care system entirely independent from employment, thus removing the cost from the employer (although they should be free to offer coverage as part of the compensation to attract and keep workers). However, this cost shift needs to come with a reduction in medical costs. I think you would agree that medical costs are needlessly high in the United States (ironically partially due to insurance).

      I also like the fact that people cannot be refused coverage for pre-existing conditions and that kids can stay on their parents plans longer.

      A civilized country should have effective, affordable and universally available coverage for all citizens. Even under Obamacare we don’t have that.

      Sadly, we are in a situation where no actual alternative (except going back to the past) has been seriously offered.

      • apollonian said, on May 8, 2014 at 4:46 pm

        Ron Paul, who’s doctor (so he knows) explains it was better the way it was–the free market. Poor people could get care on charity–they turned no one down.

        But u, Mike, want to make it, health-care, some formalized, complexified thing–as usual for people like u who think u have a right to meddle in things that are NONE OF UR BUSINESS, using gov. to dictate to people on pretext of ur absurd, childish whims.

        Purpose of ObongoCare is mass-murder and genocide–but that’s inconceivable to a cocooned “intellectual” (really, just a glorified mystic and sooth-sayer), ho ho ho ho–official thought-controller and obedience-trainer, selling inferiority complex and Pharisaism upon false pretenses of “ethics.”

        What’s happening is Insurance and big Pharma corps. are taking-over, all w. the help of morons and ignorant scum. And obvious FACT is costs are going up directly due to these latest ObongoCare law(s), and quality of care is going down.

        • apollonian said, on May 8, 2014 at 9:18 pm

          So now, Prof. Mike, w. ObongoCare, we’ll have death-panels and instead of person-to-person relation of doctor and patient–the people will just be dispensed w. DRUGS that are un-tested and toxic which will kill them quicker–this is what’s GUARANTEED–all part of AGENDA-21 genocide. Great work, buddy. Just as “good” is worst enemy of truth, we see it’s also worst enemy of people’s practical lives too, eh? Ever see the movie, Soylent Green?–a classic w. Charlton Heston.

      • T. J. Babson said, on May 8, 2014 at 9:00 pm

        So you are totally cool with shifting $3.25 trillion in expenses from large corporations to working people. Good to know.

        • WTP said, on May 9, 2014 at 6:03 am

          That is just money coming out of your pay either way. Though Mike doesn’t think this way, unless it’s convenient for him, like this issue. The real problem with this scenario, and it has been one of the great injustices of the healthcare mess going back decades, is that the corporations get to write healthcare expenses off their taxes. Individuals cannot unless the expense hits a significant percentage of their income.

          Removing the connection twixt employment and healthcare could be the only good thing to come out of this mess. But it’s going to be painful, cause much disruption in care, and will be demogoged to death by GOP and Dem populists. It will be ugly.

          • T. J. Babson said, on May 9, 2014 at 6:52 am

            WTP, you are right in the long term, but business will be quick to lower their expenses and slow to raise their wages. Individuals will also get hammered in taxes as you point out.

            Although the separation between employment and health insurance will eventually be a good thing, this was not the right way to go about it.

            More lies from the Obama misadministration.

            • WTP said, on May 9, 2014 at 7:42 am

              Well, yeah. Because the long term plan of the obos is to attach healthcare ( and we really should be more careful using terms healthcare and insurance, but here I do mean healthcare) to the government. Hence the euphanism of “single payer” Obama has said is his goal.

        • Michael LaBossiere said, on May 9, 2014 at 12:36 pm

          Assuming the numbers are accurate, the $3.25 trillion assumes that every business over 49 employees makes the switch. It would also assume that the companies would not offer other compensation.

          But, to answer the question, if every company with 49+ employees ceased to provide health care and did not offer any replacement compensation, then that would presumably be bad.

          However, I still favor splitting health care from employment. I do not get auto insurance or homeowner’s insurance from my employer and I can handle that. One key part of the problem is that health care is exceptionally expensive as is the insurance. Managing health care costs would seem to be the proper place to focus. If this could be done, the cost of health insurance could be significantly lower and people could better afford health care and insurance.

          Part of the problem is also the fact that wages have not kept up with costs. If the middle class was better off, they could better afford care and insurance. So, getting the economy to benefit the middle class would have a positive impact as well. The Canadians are beating us, which should bother us a bit.

  22. apollonian said, on May 8, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Make no mistake: ObongoCare means DEATH PANELS, least expensive “treatment” by big-Pharma owned and controlled facilities, these controlled by the insurance companies, obviously, who control the finances & administration of such facilities, and instead of doctor’s care and treatment, u’re gonna get DRUGS, drugs, drugs, as ur treatment–which will cost more than what it used to.

    ObongoCare will HUGELY INCREASE cost of health-care, which “care” will be far less quality–all in spirit of AGENDA-21 genocide, never doubt. See http://www.infowars.com/10-signs-that-obamacare-is-going-to-wreck-the-u-s-economy/

  23. WTP said, on May 14, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Anarchists try to have a meeting. Zombies “will not be silenced in the face of your violence”


  24. WTP said, on June 5, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    And since this thread has been neglected lately in favor of academics at work, it seems the D’s never manage to disappoint. They can always find a new low.

    Suggesting that Bergdahl’s platoon consists of psychopaths:

    Bergdahl’s story, before being revealed, must be given every twisted benefit of doubt relative to that of the men with whom he served, direct observations of his words and actions by his platoon mates, and the words presented by his father on numerous videos. Why, it’s like he’s being Swiftboated!. Of course all of this is completely in harmony with how the George Zimmerman case was and continues to be addressed by both the media and the douche bag(s) in the White House. Repeating myself, I know.


  25. WTP said, on June 15, 2014 at 9:19 am

    Something TJ and I know as absurd just on the face of it but for the general edification, why the “lost” emails of Lois Lerner ( kinda sounds like a soap opera) is a flat out fucking lie.


    They know what Romney had for breakfast the morning he decided to bully some kid back in high school, but recent recorded history is sadly lost to the ages.

    • TJB said, on June 15, 2014 at 5:26 pm

      I used to think that people losing their jobs was enough. Now I think people need to start going to jail.

      • WTP said, on June 15, 2014 at 7:14 pm

        Wanna make a wager no one will ever go? Wanna wager I can’t find a college professor and/or journalist somewhere in the next few weeks who will pick at some irrelevant detail to explain it all away? No way to bet on this, but if the parties were reversed I am VERY confident the media, SNL, professors like Mike, etc. etc. etc. would be on this story 24/7 for weeks if not months. How much airtime and newspaper print was spent on Christie Bridgegate?

  26. T. J. Babson said, on August 5, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    Democratic gubernatorial nominee Ed FitzGerald had not had a regular Ohio driver’s license for at least five years when Westlake police found him in a car with a woman early one morning two years ago.

    If he drove his car home after dropping her off at her hotel, as he said he did, he would have violated Ohio law requiring those with just a temporary permit to be accompanied by a licensed driver.

    According to records at the state Bureau of Motor Vehicles, FitzGerald, a Democrat running against Republican Gov. John Kasich, held only temporary driving permits in 2008-09, 2010-11 and 2011-12 before getting a regular driver’s license on Nov. 15, 2012.

    FitzGerald and the woman in his car, Joanne Grehan, an economic-development representative from Ireland, were found by a Westlake police officer sitting and talking in FitzGerald’s car in a parking lot at 4:30 a.m. on Oct. 13, 2012.

    It’s unclear why FitzGerald, a former FBI agent and assistant county prosecutor who was the mayor of Lakewood from 2008 to 2011 and has been the Cuyahoga County executive since then, did not have a regular driver’s license during that time. Bureau of Motor Vehicles records go back to 2007.


    Laws are for the little people. As a Democrat one *means* well, so laws don’t actually have to be followed.

  27. T. J. Babson said, on November 4, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    This is the way the Dems roll:

    The most cynical of these bogey man ploys is Attorney General Holder’s threats of legal action against schools that discipline a “disproportionate” number of black boys. Unless you believe that black boys cannot possibly be misbehaving more often than Asian American girls, what does this political numbers game accomplish?

    It creates another racial grievance, allowing Democrats like Holder to pose as rescuers of blacks from racist dangers. The real danger is allowing disruptive students in ghetto schools to destroy the education of other black students — in a world where education is the only hope that most ghetto youngsters have for a better life.


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